Christian And Islam Heaven, Can a Christian go to the Islam heaven? Options

[djohnson]

Suppose an individual was raised Christian; but they lived their life justly. They were a good husband, father, neighbor and citizen. They helped those less fortunate. They were humble and appreciative of the things God gave them. They never knew the full message of Islam, but remained a Christian. They did this because they wanted to maintain a level of unity within their family. They were happy and acting justly in their Christian faith. They believed they experienced God in their life and had no need to look towards another faith.

I have read that Islam is very reluctant to categorize things in terms of heaven or hell. I have also read that Allah looks at our deeds and may forgive if he so chooses. Would it be possible based on the teachings within the Quaran for this Christian to reach one of the higher levels of heaven?

I'm interested in learning factual information and not misrepresenting the Muslim Faith.


Dave

[msazad]

It depends what you mean exactly by "Christian" I guess.

If one needed to know the "full message of Islam" to "reach one of the higher levels of heaven", would that not exclude all the righteous men and prophets of ancient times? Not to mention those who died in infancy and so on.

I'm not going to give you a full answer without knowledge but point you to what anyone can read. There are several mentions of this matter in the Quran.
Here's one (translated by Muhammad Asad):
5:65
If the followers of the Bible would but attain to [true] faith and God-consciousness, We should indeed efface their [previous] bad deeds, and indeed bring them into gardens of bliss;
5:66
and if they would but truly observe the Torah and the Gospel and all [the revelation] that has been bestowed from on high upon them by their Sustainer, they would indeed partake of all the blessings of heaven and earth. Some of them do pursue a right course; but as for most of them - vile indeed is what they do!
More verses on this topic follow in that surah until 5:86.
But be aware that when the Quran mentions the Gospel, it might not be talking about the exact same texts you call Gospel.

[djohnson]

Yes, there are many books that were thrown out by the Roman government through the establishment of the Catholic Church and the canonization of the bible. Thank you for your feed back. When I pray it is to the God of Abraham. It has been really interesting learning about Islam and all the misconceptions I had.


Dave

[AsadullahHamza]

No soul has authority over another. Guidance and straying is a matter between God and you.


aakwrAllahwbHu

They never knew the full message of Islam, but remained a Christian. They did this because they wanted to maintain a level of unity within their family.

Don't miscontrue this as criticism: Did this individual reflect, beyond his upbringing, on the One God?

Alhamdu lillahi Rabbil aalameen


la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Al-�Atheemu Al-Haleemu, la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Rabbul �arshil-�atheemi,
la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Rabbus-samaawaati wa Rabbul-ardhi wa Rabbul-�arshil-kareemi
there is no god except Allah, the All-Mighty, the Forbearing; there is no god except Allah, the Lord of the Mighty Throne;
there is no god except Allah, Lord of the heavens, Lord of the earth and Lord of the noble Throne.

[djohnson]

Appreciate the feed back. I suppose any religion would have a level of rejection if you left it. Christian's are no exception. If I become a Muslim my family would accept me to my face, but speak harshly behind my back; from my past I've lived a life intertwined with shame. So what is in my heart speaks louder then the words spoken by those I love in secret. You can not be fearless and heartless. So have heart and be fearless for the God of Abraham. Peace be with you.



Dave

No soul has authority over another. Guidance and straying is a matter between God and you.


aakwrAllahwbHu

They never knew the full message of Islam, but remained a Christian. They did this because they wanted to maintain a level of unity within their family.

Don't miscontrue this as criticism: Did this individual reflect, beyond his upbringing, on the One God?

Alhamdu lillahi Rabbil aalameen


la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Al-�Atheemu Al-Haleemu, la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Rabbul �arshil-�atheemi,
la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Rabbus-samaawaati wa Rabbul-ardhi wa Rabbul-�arshil-kareemi
there is no god except Allah, the All-Mighty, the Forbearing; there is no god except Allah, the Lord of the Mighty Throne;
there is no god except Allah, Lord of the heavens, Lord of the earth and Lord of the noble Throne.

[AsadullahHamza]

No soul has authority over another. Guidance and straying is a matter between God and you.


aakwrAllahwbHu


Hi there, Dave.

Appreciate the feed back. I suppose any religion would have a level of rejection if you left it. Christian's are no exception. If I become a Muslim my family would accept me to my face, but speak harshly behind my back; from my past I've lived a life intertwined with shame. So what is in my heart speaks louder then the words spoken by those I love in secret. You can not be fearless and heartless. So have heart and be fearless for the God of Abraham. Peace be with you.

What you said sounds interesting, but how does it relate to what I asked?

I am not talking about backbiting or shame associated with anything, nor about the hidden and proclaimed; I am simply asking whether this individual reflected, beyond his upbringing, on the One God.

Thanks for the advice. Peace.

Alhamdu lillahi Rabbil aalameen




la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Al-�Atheemu Al-Haleemu, la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Rabbul �arshil-�atheemi,
la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Rabbus-samaawaati wa Rabbul-ardhi wa Rabbul-�arshil-kareemi
there is no god except Allah, the All-Mighty, the Forbearing; there is no god except Allah, the Lord of the Mighty Throne;
there is no god except Allah, Lord of the heavens, Lord of the earth and Lord of the noble Throne.

[djohnson]

I see what you mean Alhamdu lillahi Rabbil aalameen. There have been individuals from both Islam and Christian upbringing that have reflected on "Who is the true God" and have crossed over both ways. So when you leave a belief structure you were raised, in most families there is a level of rejection. Shame= if anyone knew they might not accept me.

Rather you're Muslim or Christian, to leave the faith you were raised can invoke some challenging behaviors from family members. Especially if there is a belief that they will not see or enjoy your presence in the afterlife. In our past history one's ability to bring unity of faith, was a matter of physical survival. In fact many of the ancestors of Islam had years of torture and torment by Christians for their non centralized belief structure; and Christians were brutal, boiling and burning people alive. Enslaving individuals and stealing their land.

Islam provided a group of people a means to work together for survival. Europe has worked out much of its blood shed between protestants and Catholics. The Arab nations are still struggling. One of the big struggles is limited resources in the desert region. Oil has provided resources from around the world to flood these areas with limited resources. Unfortunately this has created a codependent relationship between the Middle East and the United States. The US is spoon feeding the middle eastern countries and trying to exert control over sovereign nations.

Anyways back to my point, human nature is hard wired to survive. We are constantly looking for ways to identify with each other in a group to survive. So even in a country such as the US where there is freedom of religion, we have the tendency to fear what we don't know. Thus the saying you can't be heartless and fearless. True fearlessness comes when you do what you know is right regardless of self. Seikism refers to it as the shedding of one's own ego. Christianity refers to "Jesus" paying the ultimate sacrifice. I believe this message is stitched into almost every religion. We just can't accept this behavior from individuals that weaken the fabric of whatever it is that unifies us. Thus comes the shame from one's own family for leaving their faith. We aren't as different as what the world would like us to believe my friend!!!


Dave

No soul has authority over another. Guidance and straying is a matter between God and you.


aakwrAllahwbHu


Hi there, Dave.

Appreciate the feed back. I suppose any religion would have a level of rejection if you left it. Christian's are no exception. If I become a Muslim my family would accept me to my face, but speak harshly behind my back; from my past I've lived a life intertwined with shame. So what is in my heart speaks louder then the words spoken by those I love in secret. You can not be fearless and heartless. So have heart and be fearless for the God of Abraham. Peace be with you.

What you said sounds interesting, but how does it relate to what I asked?

I am not talking about backbiting or shame associated with anything, nor about the hidden and proclaimed; I am simply asking whether this individual reflected, beyond his upbringing, on the One God.

Thanks for the advice. Peace.

Alhamdu lillahi Rabbil aalameen




la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Al-�Atheemu Al-Haleemu, la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Rabbul �arshil-�atheemi,
la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Rabbus-samaawaati wa Rabbul-ardhi wa Rabbul-�arshil-kareemi
there is no god except Allah, the All-Mighty, the Forbearing; there is no god except Allah, the Lord of the Mighty Throne;
there is no god except Allah, Lord of the heavens, Lord of the earth and Lord of the noble Throne.

[AsadullahHamza]

No soul has authority over another. Guidance and straying is a matter between God and you.


aakwrAllahwbHu


And I often wonder whether we (ourselves) are what we would like to believe.

Anyway, nice to taking to you, brother. Over and again I have reached the same conlcusion: My trying to talk about God and spirituality doesn't make sense. Peace.


Alhamdu lillahi Rabbil aalameen


la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Al-�Atheemu Al-Haleemu, la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Rabbul �arshil-�atheemi,
la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Rabbus-samaawaati wa Rabbul-ardhi wa Rabbul-�arshil-kareemi
there is no god except Allah, the All-Mighty, the Forbearing; there is no god except Allah, the Lord of the Mighty Throne;
there is no god except Allah, Lord of the heavens, Lord of the earth and Lord of the noble Throne.