A Few Questions About Tablighi Jamaat Options

I have a few questions that I am not sure about...so i thought i would ask here.

What are the differences between the tablighi jamaat and mainstream sunni islam?

is tablighi jamaat the same as 'deobandism'?

What is Ijtima?

what is ghast?

what is chilla?

who is molvi ilyas?

what is Imkaane Kizb?


i've just been doing some reading into tablighi jamaat and these are some terms that i have come across with no translation or contextual clues about their meaning.

that is all for the moment.

I have a few questions that I am not sure about...so i thought i would ask here.

What are the differences between the tablighi jamaat and mainstream sunni islam?

is tablighi jamaat the same as 'deobandism'?

What is Ijtima?

what is ghast?

what is chilla?

who is molvi ilyas?

what is Imkaane Kizb? i've just been doing some reading into tablighi jamaat and these are some terms that i have come across with no translation or contextual clues about their meaning.

that is all for the moment.

there is no difference between Tablighi Jamaat and mainstream sunni islam. the only slight difference may be that Tablighi Jamaat consider Da'wah to be very very important, for example the way Sufis deem Dhikr to be of utmost importance.

Deoband is not an 'ism.' There is a darul uloom (scholar school/madressa) called Darul Uloom Deoband. It is basically sunni. Deoband became famous for its very intelligent, brave and dedicated scholars and students, and also because when the British took over India and began to close down madressas, islamic institutes and basicly wipe out Islam, they took a stand against the British. Many ulama were brutally killled by the British. However, Deoband condemns terr orism when it is baseless and killls inn ocent people. Amongst Tablighi jamaat there is a deobandi influence. However, Tablighi Jamaat consists of many people of many backgrounds, including arabs following the shaf'i or hanbali madhab, malaysians, somalis, indians etc.

An Ijtema means 'gathering.' People gather, with great scholars coming too where jamaats are organized, and there are talks, dhikr sessions, dua sessions, discussions etc.

Ghasht means to go out and teach people islam and to invite them to the masjid. this is usually done by going to houses of individuals.

A chilla is to go out for forty days to spread da'wah.

maulana Ilyas is the man who made this work successful, because dawah is the worlk of the prophets and the sahaba and we should carry it on.

i have never heard of inkaane kizb before. there is a Tablighi jamaat thread corner in the sunni corner, check it out. any other questions feel free to ask.

These will help also:

http://www.stanford.edu/group/SHR/5-1/text/metcalf.html

http://www.islam.co.za/taligh1.html

http://www.salaam.co.uk/forum/read.php?f=4...673&t=26673

Some more info 4 you pplz,

http://www.abbeymillsmosque.com/AMILLS/page.php

about the masjid in london causing controversy and uproar, the true facts ^

This post has been edited by hassanm: May 27 2008, 07:32 AM

thanks for the responses.

I have a few questions that I am not sure about...so i thought i would ask here.

What are the differences between the tablighi jamaat and mainstream sunni islam?

is tablighi jamaat the same as 'deobandism'?

What is Ijtima?

what is ghast?

what is chilla?

who is molvi ilyas?

what is Imkaane Kizb? i've just been doing some reading into tablighi jamaat and these are some terms that i have come across with no translation or contextual clues about their meaning.

that is all for the moment.

there is no difference between Tablighi Jamaat and mainstream sunni islam. the only slight difference may be that Tablighi Jamaat consider Da'wah to be very very important, for example the way Sufis deem Dhikr to be of utmost importance.

Deoband is not an 'ism.' There is a darul uloom (scholar school/madressa) called Darul Uloom Deoband. It is basically sunni. Deoband became famous for its very intelligent, brave and dedicated scholars and students, and also because when the British took over India and began to close down madressas, islamic institutes and basicly wipe out Islam, they took a stand against the British. Many ulama were brutally killled by the British. However, Deoband condemns terr orism when it is baseless and killls inn ocent people. Amongst Tablighi jamaat there is a deobandi influence. However, Tablighi Jamaat consists of many people of many backgrounds, including arabs following the shaf'i or hanbali madhab, malaysians, somalis, indians etc.

An Ijtema means 'gathering.' People gather, with great scholars coming too where jamaats are organized, and there are talks, dhikr sessions, dua sessions, discussions etc.

Ghasht means to go out and teach people islam and to invite them to the masjid. this is usually done by going to houses of individuals.

A chilla is to go out for forty days to spread da'wah.

maulana Ilyas is the man who made this work successful, because dawah is the worlk of the prophets and the sahaba and we should carry it on.

i have never heard of inkaane kizb before. there is a Tablighi jamaat thread corner in the sunni corner, check it out. any other questions feel free to ask.

I will soon raise objections on all those, inshallah.

i've been doing more reading about the tablighi jamaat, but something i came across today was rather confusing.

keekee, in the thread about ibn taymiyya, u cite allaahuakbar.net to defend the 'sheikh'.

i wanted to know, is allaahuakbar.net a mainstream sunni website or is it something else?

it has a list of all the usual 'deviant sects' (e.g shias), so i assumed it was a sunni website. but then i saw in the same list of deviant sects was tablighi jamaat and a barrage of links attacking them and their beliefs and practices.

the confusion arises because i remembered what u said earlier about there being no differences between sunnis and TJ.

there is no difference between Tablighi Jamaat and mainstream sunni islam. the only slight difference may be that Tablighi Jamaat consider Da'wah to be very very important, for example the way Sufis deem Dhikr to be of utmost importance.

so what i want to know is are there really no differences between mainstream sunni islam and tablighi jamaat (as you kindly suggested above), or is allaahuakbar.net somewhat misguided, and doesn't actually represent mainstream sunni islam but something else?

thanks

lol gdd question, that site is ajeeb, have you seen the actual list of misguided sects to them including tabligh, and the deobandis really aswell as many other 1s i hardly heard of, i think they must be a new sect or something, they have complaints with every1, seems like 99.9% of the world is misguided to them, anyway keekee shed some light!

i've been doing more reading about the tablighi jamaat, but something i came across today was rather confusing.

keekee, in the thread about ibn taymiyya, u cite allaahuakbar.net to defend the 'sheikh'.

i wanted to know, is allaahuakbar.net a mainstream sunni website or is it something else?

it has a list of all the usual 'deviant sects' (e.g shias), so i assumed it was a sunni website. but then i saw in the same list of deviant sects was tablighi jamaat and a barrage of links attacking them and their beliefs and practices.

the confusion arises because i remembered what u said earlier about there being no differences between sunnis and TJ.

there is no difference between Tablighi Jamaat and mainstream sunni islam. the only slight difference may be that Tablighi Jamaat consider Da'wah to be very very important, for example the way Sufis deem Dhikr to be of utmost importance.

so what i want to know is are there really no differences between mainstream sunni islam and tablighi jamaat (as you kindly suggested above), or is allaahuakbar.net somewhat misguided, and doesn't actually represent mainstream sunni islam but something else?

thanks

i was expecting that question
that site is rather extremist and i don't agree with most of what it has to say, my dad also advised me against it, but a couple of subjects on the site are alright, inlcuding the ibn taymiyyah one.

Husham, object away lol, since your not sunni i don't think you have much right to object against Tabligh anyway, but sure go ahead.

Rizwan as i said , the only difference that MAY occur is the dawah thing, and i gave the sufis as example.
now im sure you have more questions, reagrding certain books etc. well ask, and i'll answer inshAllah.

I think they quote shaykh Albanee with their views and refutations aginst tabligh, i found something from askimam.org....

has been reported on the authority of Nu'man bin Bashir (Radhiyallahu Anhu) that Nabi (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said, "There are people who do not transgress the limits (laws) of Allah Ta'ala, and there are others who do so. They are like two groups who boarded a ship; one of them settled on the upper deck, and the other on the lower deck of the ship. When the people of the lower deck needed water, they said, "Why should we cause trouble to the people of the upper deck when we can have plenty of water by making a hole in our deck". Now, if the people of the upper deck do not prevent this group from such foolishness, all of them will perish; but if they stop them, they will be saved".

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?ask...002a9ba9e9d1bf5

Thats the fulll answer to his article regarding tabligh, check it out, top stuff...

This post has been edited by hassanm: Jun 2 2008, 04:04 PM

cool, jazaks bro

have you noticed though? that our scholars never try to badmouth or slander these people? i mean, we are told to stay away from some of al albanees and the likes works, and given totally detailed reasons why, but they are never bad mouthed or slandered. i find that really admirable mashAllah.

This post has been edited by KeeKee: Jun 2 2008, 04:06 PM

oh and cool i won't have to answer hushims objections because most are answered very substantially in that article.

This post has been edited by KeeKee: Jun 2 2008, 04:08 PM

That is some of the beauty of this effort, i swear by Allah, only yesterday was one of the students of dewsbury markaz telling me, when the brelvis do their march on eid meelad un nabee, they shout outsyd markaz things like
"only the muslims celebrate and the kuffar don't"

and hafiz saab... sits outside making dua....i swear by Allah this effort teaches respect for everyone, that you are lower then everyone else, and all ways of hikmah like that, subhanallah,

1 of the usools of tabligh, not to talk about other sects and so on, its about your own reformation.....and then inviting others towards Allah.

The refutations against Fazaaile A'amal, also stated that shaykh Uthaymeen (rahimullah) have retracted the things they have said about this noble work, hmm i wish to come across this inshallah, never knew that...

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?ask...49f0b5256de3934

its on there, gdd read



This post has been edited by hassanm: Jun 2 2008, 04:18 PM

yes, the brelvis shout insults outside markaz on their milad un nabi march, but even the Markaz darul uloom students are for bidden by the ustaadhs to retaliate. mashAllah. when we were in hajj there were quite some brelvis in our group, and were quite hostile. but my dad stuck to integrating with them, doing and alhamdulillah by the end of it they were really civil mashAllah.

now im a bit of a rebel and debate and stuff, but truly i would love to be like my father and other shaikhs and dedicated people involved in the work of Tabligh.

This post has been edited by KeeKee: Jun 2 2008, 05:29 PM

Heres something about the six points of Tabligh, its very informative.
you'll have to download it.
http://ekhlas.wordpress.com/tabligh/

a lot of the time whenever i see tablighi jamaat mentioned, i notice that there is mention of these barelvis...

i dont really know what barelvis are or what they believe in, but perhaps u can shed some light on this.

and what is the cause of the friction between tablighi jamaat and barelvis?

this might help: http://www31.brinkster.com/ak4thanvi/09040...hanbareilvi.htm

a lot of the time whenever i see tablighi jamaat mentioned, i notice that there is mention of these barelvis...

i dont really know what barelvis are or what they believe in, but perhaps u can shed some light on this.

and what is the cause of the friction between tablighi jamaat and barelvis?

Apart from this thread where else have you heard the brevlis mentioned along side the tablighi jamaat?

surprising really, as we are taught not to make differences and unite everyone, and i mentioned 1 of the usoools already, the Usools of tabligh are not just for tabligh but for life.... soo me being a weak person, mentioning the brelvis all the time is my weakness and something that i need to stop, soo don't let it occur to you that tablighis create divisions or all of them hate brelvis or something....

Answering objections against ulama deoband-please read before bringing up accusations which have already been answered anyone:
http://www28.brinkster.com/mushrf/070104/TRKRM.html