101 Bible contradictions! Options

[Al-Din'As-Darfur]

I'm glad you pointed the out of context point cause that is what you did. It does not state before. It says Gods words are pure and will be preserved for ever. Who says Pauls works or not from God? So everthing up to Psalms 12:7 must be true in your own words everything else god could not preserve. I can't see why anyone wouldn't be christian. The first post of 101 things wrong with the bible is all out of context I will revise and edit it for everyone. I thought Muslims didn't believe Jesus died on the cross. That is another topic though.

err no, it's David talking...God has nothing to do with that...

Muslims don't really trust the disciples...

They contradict each other, also we don't believe Jesus died on the cross, but we believe god brought him up to heaven before he was to die.

The Jews betrayed another prophet.

[juan]

I'm glad you pointed the out of context point cause that is what you did. It does not state before. It says Gods words are pure and will be preserved for ever. Who says Pauls works or not from God? So everthing up to Psalms 12:7 must be true in your own words everything else god could not preserve. I can't see why anyone wouldn't be christian. The first post of 101 things wrong with the bible is all out of context I will revise and edit it for everyone. I thought Muslims didn't believe Jesus died on the cross. That is another topic though.

err no, it's David talking...God has nothing to do with that...

Muslims don't really trust the disciples...

They contradict each other, also we don't believe Jesus died on the cross, but we believe god brought him up to heaven before he was to die.

The Jews betrayed another prophet.

then we Muhammed was talking god had nothing to do with that. He was still on the cross until his last breath so when did he leave before he died. It wasn't all the Jews just a few that were blind with power and were afraid of Jesus. Can't blame all for the actions of a few. There is a sect of judiasm that beleives jesus and follows his teachings. Who were the other prophets the jews betrayed. Jesus was a jew. He said he would be betrayed by his own people and he was.

[Al-Din'As-Darfur]

then we Muhammed was talking god had nothing to do with that.

whaaa???

syntax please...

He was still on the cross until his last breath so when did he leave before he died.

no, jesus made dua to allah(SWT), allah heard the cries of jesus, and brought him up to heaven.
Or as hebrews 5:8 puts it, "...he learned obedience from what he suffered"

It wasn't all the Jews just a few that were blind with power and were afraid of Jesus.

Yeah but it isn't the first time it happened...
Which is why God sent his final prophet to the tribe of Ishmael instaed of Issac.

Can't blame all for the actions of a few.

Soo true, just not in the context in which you used it, none but mary stood up to them, all who knew jesus betrayed him.

There is a sect of judiasm that beleives jesus and follows his teachings.

They are called jewish christians, the are a sect of christianity.
If they were jewish, jesus would be a blasphemer.

Who were the other prophets the jews betrayed.

Moses...

Jesus was a jew.

Jesus was the Best Jew.

He said he would be betrayed by his own people and he was.

That kinda proves my point there...

[Simba]

He was still on the cross until his last breath so when did he leave before he died. It wasn't all the Jews just a few that were blind with power and were afraid of Jesus. Can't blame all for the actions of a few. There is a sect of judiasm that beleives jesus and follows his teachings. Who were the other prophets the jews betrayed. Jesus was a jew. He said he would be betrayed by his own people and he was.

Messianic Jews...I'm sorry but i find the name a contradiction. A Jew who believes Jesus is the Messiah IS a Christian.

[juan]

He was still on the cross until his last breath so when did he leave before he died. It wasn't all the Jews just a few that were blind with power and were afraid of Jesus. Can't blame all for the actions of a few. There is a sect of judiasm that beleives jesus and follows his teachings. Who were the other prophets the jews betrayed. Jesus was a jew. He said he would be betrayed by his own people and he was.

Messianic Jews...I'm sorry but i find the name a contradiction. A Jew who believes Jesus is the Messiah IS a Christian.

I can't debate that. Here in america we call that riding the fence

[juan]

then we Muhammed was talking god had nothing to do with that.

whaaa???
syntax please...


change we to when. the point is god talks through man

He was still on the cross until his last breath so when did he leave before he died.

no, jesus made dua to allah(SWT), allah heard the cries of jesus, and brought him up to heaven.
Or as hebrews 5:8 puts it, "...he learned obedience from what he suffered"

how does this prove he didn't die on the cross.Mind physical body cause the soul never dies

It wasn't all the Jews just a few that were blind with power and were afraid of Jesus.

Yeah but it isn't the first time it happened...
Which is why God sent his final prophet to the tribe of Ishmael instaed of Issac.

Can't blame all for the actions of a few.

Soo true, just not in the context in which you used it, none but mary stood up to them, all who knew jesus betrayed him.
mary mother of jesus or mary magdaline(wife of jesus)

There is a sect of judiasm that beleives jesus and follows his teachings.

They are called jewish christians, the are a sect of christianity.
If they were jewish, jesus would be a blasphemer.

same a messianic jew huh?

Who were the other prophets the jews betrayed.

Moses...
how? Please explain this one.I really would like to hear your point on this

Jesus was a jew.

Jesus was the Best Jew.

can't deny that

He said he would be betrayed by his own people and he was.

That kinda proves my point there...

so what do muslims believe on Jesus. I ask you. trying to learn more everyday

[islambestfaith13]

the Qur'an has no contradiction in it.

I'll look it up right now.

Most of the allaged 'contradictions', in the Quran, arent actually 'contradictions', but rather oft-misunderstood verses that can be cleared up in a few sentences.

by comparison the Bible has dozens of true contradictions, some which even the most talented preachers have been unable to refute alhamdulillah.

[juan]

the Qur'an has no contradiction in it.

I'll look it up right now.

Most of the allaged 'contradictions', in the Quran, arent actually 'contradictions', but rather oft-misunderstood verses that can be cleared up in a few sentences.

by comparison the Bible has dozens of true contradictions, some which even the most talented preachers have been unable to refute alhamdulillah.

sorry I don't understand what that has to do with the question I left. It was an open ended question with no contradictions in mind. I just wanted to know what is the belief about jesus by muslims. Why couldn't the bible be said to be oft-misunderstood verses that can be cleared up in a few sentences. Remember it is in the eye of the beholder or really the ear of the listener to if it has been proved contridicted or not.

[GoWithGod]

I am new to these forums so I apologize if I break any rules.

I am compiling a response to the 101 Bible Contradictions but am going to respond to a few of the same type of posts made previous to mine. You challenge anyone to find a contradiction in the Quran. I have done some research & found a few. I am not trying to fight anyone or get into a word battle. I am simply stating what I have discovered. Here are just a few:
What was man created from?

1. "Created man, out of a clot of congealed blood," (96:2).
2. "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
3. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
4. "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
5. "He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).

Is wine consumption good or bad?

1. O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90).
2. (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).
3. Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed," (83:22-25).

Please show me evidence that proves me wrong.

In Christ,
GWG

P.S Is there any forum where I can learn more about Islam? I am very intrested.

[Hinata Prime]

I am new to these forums so I apologize if I break any rules.

I am compiling a response to the 101 Bible Contradictions but am going to respond to a few of the same type of posts made previous to mine. You challenge anyone to find a contradiction in the Quran. I have done some research & found a few. I am not trying to fight anyone or get into a word battle. I am simply stating what I have discovered. Here are just a few:
What was man created from?

1. "Created man, out of a clot of congealed blood," (96:2).
2. "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
3. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
4. "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
5. "He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).

Is wine consumption good or bad?

1. O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90).
2. (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).
3. Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed," (83:22-25).

Please show me evidence that proves me wrong.

In Christ,
GWG

P.S Is there any forum where I can learn more about Islam? I am very intrested.

As for the first half, I am not qualified to refute that.

The second half, however, is just a simple misunderstanding.

Quote # one of part 2 is about this life. You cannot gamble and drink wine as it is a sin.

Quote # two and three of part 2 is about the afterlife! God will reward all those who saved themselves from sins in the life of the living, and allow them to do as they please with halal wine in heaven!

Hope that clears it up for you. ^^

Your friend,
Hinata Prime

[Hinata Prime]

the Qur'an has no contradiction in it.

I'll look it up right now.

Most of the allaged 'contradictions', in the Quran, arent actually 'contradictions', but rather oft-misunderstood verses that can be cleared up in a few sentences.

by comparison the Bible has dozens of true contradictions, some which even the most talented preachers have been unable to refute alhamdulillah.

sorry I don't understand what that has to do with the question I left. It was an open ended question with no contradictions in mind. I just wanted to know what is the belief about jesus by muslims. Why couldn't the bible be said to be oft-misunderstood verses that can be cleared up in a few sentences. Remember it is in the eye of the beholder or really the ear of the listener to if it has been proved contridicted or not.

We believe that Jesus was a prophet and we look upon him VERY highly! We just do not believe he was the son of God or God himself. He was a creation of God, sent down to Earth with God's message.



Hope that clears things up for you!

Regards,
Hinata Prime

[GoWithGod]

WHOOPS! Here is the full list.

The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses?

1. "And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam," (39:12).
2. "When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143).
3. "And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132).

Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods?

1. Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed," (4:48). Also 4:116
2. The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: "Show us Allah in public," but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority," (4:153).

Are Allah's decrees changed or not?

1. "Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers," (6:34).
2. "The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115).
3. None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?" (2:106).
4. When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not," (16:101).

Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning?

1. "We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam). (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)! This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" (10:90-92).
2. Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!" So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him," (17:102-103).

Again, these are contradictions in the Quran. Show me where I am at fault. This list is from www.carm.org

In Christ,
GWG

[Hinata Prime]

Please refer to my two earlier posts. Those should help. I am not qualified to look at the rest of the quotes though.

I'd suggest: http://www.answering-islam.com/quran/quranerr.htm

Ask the scholar there and he should help you!

God bless!

This post has been edited by Hinata Prime: Jul 27 2007, 04:50 PM

[islambestfaith13]

Please refer to my two earlier posts. Those should help. I am not qualified to look at the rest of the quotes though.

I'd suggest: http://www.answering-islam.com/quran/quranerr.htm

Ask the scholar there and he should help you!

God bless!

Sister,

AnsweringIslam is an anti-islamic site. AnsweringChristianity is a pro-Islamic site which is run by Usama Abdullah, a Palestinian.

[islambestfaith13]

WHOOPS! Here is the full list.

The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses?

1. "And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam," (39:12).
2. "When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143).
3. "And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132).

Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods?

1. Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed," (4:48). Also 4:116
2. The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: "Show us Allah in public," but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority," (4:153).

Are Allah's decrees changed or not?

1. "Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers," (6:34).
2. "The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115).
3. None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?" (2:106).
4. When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not," (16:101).

Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning?

1. "We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam). (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)! This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" (10:90-92).
2. Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!" So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him," (17:102-103).

Again, these are contradictions in the Quran. Show me where I am at fault. This list is from www.carm.org

In Christ,
GWG

I am a Imam/muslim scholar in traning so i can answer it for uuuu....

1) These are all expressions about being the first Muslim. As for Muhammad , he was the first human to have the perfected version of Islam, namely Islam as we know it.

2) It is obvious and clear in the second case that Allah Almighty, the Lord of the Christians, Jews, AND Muslims, is setting a general example for those who worship others besides Allah swt. However, in the case of the Bani Isra'il, Allah Almighty is forgiving them specially, because he wished to try to guide them back to the true faith, since they were the chosen people and the most deserving of his favor. Otherwise in history, it would have been Hellfire for the sin of shirk.

3) When Allah Almighty says here that nobody can change His revelation, he is saying that He will protect it from contradictions and corruption, unlike some of His other revelations which sadly were corrupted. However, He also applies this standard to himself.

For example, when the command came to not drink wine during prayer, or before it,
Allah/God was gradually trying to limit the consumption of wine, until he changed the verse to totally prohibiting it.

Because, how else will you change the hearts and minds of the people, suddenly, of course God knows best, He would change the hearts and minds of the people gradually, and he did here.

5) Here it says that Pharoah (curses of Allah be upon him), was drowned.
It says in the next verse, that Allah saved him in body.

This does in no way contradict itself. Allah killed the life of Pharoah, but left his body washed up, as an evidence to see and warn for further generations and passerby.

For example, if I am stabbed, or killed, I am not alive, of course, but I am saved in body, because my body is not vanquished, rather, it is a corpse.

[Hinata Prime]

Nice response.

btw www.answering-islam.com is an islamice site.

answering-islam.org is a Christian based site refuted with: examinethetruth.com

Hope that helps ^^

[islambestfaith13]

I am new to these forums so I apologize if I break any rules.

I am compiling a response to the 101 Bible Contradictions but am going to respond to a few of the same type of posts made previous to mine. You challenge anyone to find a contradiction in the Quran. I have done some research & found a few. I am not trying to fight anyone or get into a word battle. I am simply stating what I have discovered. Here are just a few:
What was man created from?

1. "Created man, out of a clot of congealed blood," (96:2).
2. "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
3. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
4. "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
5. "He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).

Is wine consumption good or bad?

1. O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90).
2. (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).
3. Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed," (83:22-25).

Please show me evidence that proves me wrong.

In Christ,
GWG

P.S Is there any forum where I can learn more about Islam? I am very intrested.

as for the first one, which was not answered,

Allah swt is trying to make us realize that we are made of different materials.

Just as a cake is made of eggs, flour, sugar, and whatever else.

The clay and dust descriptions are metaphors for the human flesh components.

The clot of blood refers to the baby in the womb and how it appears.

The spermdrop reference is a scientific explanation towards humanity's creation.

And Allah Almighty is saying that He created us all of a sudden, in NO way does that literally mean "from nothing".

May God be with u.

[Hinata Prime]

Nicely refuted!

Peace be with you brother!

[Al-Din'As-Darfur]

I am new to these forums so I apologize if I break any rules.

I am compiling a response to the 101 Bible Contradictions but am going to respond to a few of the same type of posts made previous to mine. You challenge anyone to find a contradiction in the Quran. I have done some research & found a few. I am not trying to fight anyone or get into a word battle. I am simply stating what I have discovered. Here are just a few:
What was man created from?

1. "Created man, out of a clot of congealed blood," (96:2).
2. "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
3. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
4. "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
5. "He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).

First, lets put them in order.

1. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
2. "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
3. "He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).
4. "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
5. "Created man, out of a clot of congealed blood," (96:2).

Firstly, Man is made of the Dust from which he will soon return. You do know what happens when you die right?
This can also be seen as a metaphor for the movement of air throughout the respiratory system.
Secondly, Sounding clay, are you familiar with sounding clay?
When Sculpted it is hard, sturdy, yet also hollow, remind you of something?
Yep the Skeletal System.
Thirdly, A sperm drop, sperm nor the egg can create life on its own, what is an egg anyway? How does human life start, A human being in its early stages is a clot of congealed blood, It gets this way from the Unity of Sperm and egg, as we develop our bone, our ability to breathe, to move dust out of our bodies....

And what did god use?
He created us out of nothing.
The entire World.

In conclusion, man is made of many things, man is made of bone, man is meat, man is blood.

I leave you with this quote

I wonder, if three bakers were to come visit the author of this list and one were to say: "Bread is made from flour," the next were to say "bread is made from dough" and the third were to say: "Bread is made from wheat," if he would consider this a "contradiction" too?

If two physicists now came along and one said "bread is made from atoms" and the other said "bread is made from molecules," would this be an even further "contradiction"?

[Hinata Prime]

Nice quote. ^^

Definitely proves the point.

brother!