Sunni Beliefs Of Hazrat Abu Bakr Ra And Hazrat Umar Ra At The Time Of Allegiance, Need a bit of help? Options

[WaleedA123]

I wanted to know what are the sunni's views on Hazrat Abu bakr RA and Hazrat Umar RA when they went to Hazrat Ali RA house to get his sworn allegiance to Hazrat Abu Bakr AS.. I have read many articles.. however unfortunately almost all say how they were very forcefull and Hazrat Umar RA tried to burn down their house and even killed Hazrat Ali's 3rd son muhsin. Although I have read it many times I just dont believe it, The prophet SAW would not put trust in them if they were to turn out as they describe.. and if the prophet SAW can trust them then I am no one to question that trust only obey it. I just wanted to know what are the sunni views on this issue.. and if you have any idea of how the events went.. please share


I apologize in advance if i upset anyone from my words. I speak from my heart.

[Kalaam]

Assalamo alaikum brother

The allegiance of Ali was not forced allegiance. Can you refer me to any specific article?

[WaleedA123]

Assalamo alaikum brother

The allegiance of Ali was not forced allegiance. Can you refer me to any specific article?

http://www.hasanabbas.com/hazrat-umar-faro...i-molana-ishaq/

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/t...-to-give-bayat/

I cant find the actual articles but I remember reading these. The people try to illustrate the same point. Ive been told by many shia folk that try and tell me that its even narrated in sunni hadith or something tabari.. sorry if im mis spelling it. but yeh and how they tryied to force him but in the process they hurt hazrat fatimah r.a and killed her unborn baby. Their was a part about burning a house down as well.

In relation to your awnser do you have any articles etc that show hazrat Ali R.A gave allegiance with his own free will.

Thankyou

[Kalaam]

Molana Ishaq should better be called disowned salafi scholar, for the salafis have rejected him.
As far as the forum link you gave me is concerned, I don't know which post you want to refer to.
Tabari is a history book, it contains every kind of narration, its introduction is very important to read before reading the book. It is just a collection of narrations about historical events.
If we talk about the authentic ahadith, shias can't bring forth any Sunni hadith which shows that Hazrat Fatima (r.a) was even touched, what to talk about anyone hurting her. Nor was her house burnt. You can ask any Shia in the world to bring authentic narration about this claim. If anyone brings such a narration , kindly post it here. As far as my claim that Ali pledged without any pressure, I have narrations in this regard from the books and other evidences as well. Kindly inform me what you want to know.

[Nafs-az-Zakiyah]

I wanted to know what are the sunni's views on Hazrat Abu bakr RA and Hazrat Umar RA when they went to Hazrat Ali RA house to get his sworn allegiance to Hazrat Abu Bakr AS.. I have read many articles.. however unfortunately almost all say how they were very forcefull and Hazrat Umar RA tried to burn down their house and even killed Hazrat Ali's 3rd son muhsin. Although I have read it many times I just dont believe it, The prophet SAW would not put trust in them if they were to turn out as they describe.. and if the prophet SAW can trust them then I am no one to question that trust only obey it. I just wanted to know what are the sunni views on this issue.. and if you have any idea of how the events went.. please share


I apologize in advance if i upset anyone from my words. I speak from my heart.

All propaganda! Abu Bakr and Umar during the burial process of the Prophet (pbuh) were informed that Saad ibn Ubadah appointed himself as the ruler through the support of the Ansaar. They felt that under his rule the Muslims would not have a stable government. So they left the burial and Abu bakr made a speech and appointed himself as Calipah with the support of Umar . This is known as the event of Saqifah. When Imam Ali came to learn the news he was overwhelmed. Since he was the leader of Hashimis , and his merits were unmatchable he believed he should have been the first calipah. Imam Ali withdrew from politics and then after 6 months he came out and gave bayah to Abi Bakr .

You can refer to Sahih Bukhari where its states that after the departure of Bibi Fatima (sa) Imam Ali gave bayah to Abi bakr .


Also here is interesting quote from the great Mutazilli Scholar Shaykh ibn Abil Hadeed .

Ali ibn Abi Talib said to Zubair: "(Although) we got angry momentarily at the time of consultation (i.e. Saqifah), we can now see that Abu Bakr is the most deserving of the Caliphate: He was the companion of the Messenger of Allah in the cave. We know of his life and we know that the Messenger of Allah had ordered him to lead the prayers." And then he (Ali) gave his Baya'ah (to Abu Bakr).
(Sharh Nahjul-Balagha; Ibn Abi Al-Hadeed; Vol.1, p.132)



The story of Umar threathing to burn Bibi Fatima's (sa) is weak. Also, the killing of Bibi Fatima (sa) is fabricated. Out of of the shia sects the 12erst are unique in believing this and supporting Muta.
The other shia sects such as Zaydi, Ismaili do not hold such belief.

[rony4]

I want to ask one question. There is lot of doubt about the incidence of alligation of alI AS. My question is if abu bakor or umor had any witness when ali AS. Paid his alligation to bokor!

[rony4]

I want to ask one question. There is lot of doubt about the incidence of alligation of alI AS. My question is if abu bakor or umor had any witness when ali AS. Paid his alligation to bokor!

[rony4]

I want to ask one question. There is lot of doubt about the incidence of alligation of alI AS. My question is if abu bakor or umor had any witness when ali AS. Paid his alligation to bokor!