Gay adoption Options

Do you think Gay people should be allowed to adopt? If yes why and if not explain. ( Gay adoption is allowed in many countries)


I think it's not an issue of discriminating but rather doing what is best for a child, there is no doubt that a Gay couple are able of looking after a child and perhaps providing the child more than what a couple of opposite sexes would. I tend to believe there are something's a woman can provide that a man cant and vice versa. However in a country of multi-faith and culture i think they have the right to adopt and it does seem weird to me and i fail to undrstand their cravings for being with the same sex lol but if doctors and Psychologists see no harm done to the child then why not?

"Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided\".

Your thoughts on gay adoption.

P.s: Please keep in mind that this thread is current news, and there has been a gay adoption row in Britain for the past few weeks; in short do not bombard this thread or me with your set of religious beliefs. If you strongly disagree with this based on your religion, open a thread in one of the religious sub forums and share your views there, discriminating and hating Gay people in this thread is not tolerated.



This post has been edited by kellyjaz: Jan 27 2007, 07:45 AM

Do you think Gay people should be allowed to adopt? If yes why and if not explain. ( Gay adoption is allowed in many countries)

Drinking alcohol is allowed in many countries. There are parts of China and Tibet where kidnapping is allowed. Vengence killings is a norm in Afghanistan and pakistan. Should all these be allowed as well?

As far as the questionin topic:

NO.

Would you be fine if your parents were gay and had adopted you? If your answer is No, then you should not be debating your arguement.

Its also not fair to the child. A child always looks at its parents as perfect role models and wants to be like them. I know a guy who was adopted by two gay females and he is himsef a homosexual. His reason is not a medical, genetic or physiological reason, but only that his parents are gay. He often finds himself wanting to get in to a relationship with girls, but would never do it because he doesnt want to disappoint his 'parents'. Is this fair to him? or any child who is adopted by gay couples?

Your statement that there is no doubt that a Gay couple are able of looking after a child is pointless. Hey, monkeys can be trained to look after a child...does it mean that monkeys should be allowed to do it?

if doctors and Psychologists see no harm done to the child then why not?

says who?

Also...
Since you dont want to bring religion in to this discussion, I would like to ask you then that where would you get your morals? rules to live your life?

I agree chailvr. i find that many agnostics and aethists are more moral than some Muslims and Christians.

On to topic:

If homos were allowed to marry and all that other stuff, i would say that it should be the childs choice. If hes ok with it, then let him go. Although gay is sinful, sometimes an orphan can do alot better deeds under gay parents then they could an orphanage in a gang ridden hood.

Hey, if gays are allowed to marry based on love, can i marry myself cause i love myself. plus i would love the tax cuts married people get.

Hem going to be pretty hard for the child if he/she is a new born, I am more against gay adoption, i think chailvr your reasons above are okay for a child who actually understands what being gay is and can decide.What about new borns? what if after they grow up and do understand thier parents, and what if they find it disgusting like some people do? or even ashamed of their parents? I mean children go to school these days and say if your a little diffrent from the rest you get bullied, this is going to be a child with two DADDYS! you got to think of EVERY THING .....

religion is what gives morals its best definition and applicability...we can discuss this, feel free to open a new topic on this.

Saira made a great point. good job!

If homos were allowed to marry and all that other stuff, i would say that it should be the childs choice. If hes ok with it, then let him go. Although gay is sinful, sometimes an orphan can do alot better deeds under gay parents then they could an orphanage in a gang ridden hood.

Yes, but most of the parents want to adopt kids of very young age. And these young kids are not mature enough to know whats good or bad for them.

another thing is that if your an orphan, life isnt that great. I have a friend who used to go through lots of orphanages type places and foster homes because her mom was abusive and she didnt have a dad. The life in places like orphanages is filled with alot of substance abuse, violence, crime, and rape so being adopted by someone, whether they be gay, lesbian, or straight, is a welcome relief. I don't think the kids would mind too much.

I can support the idea of gay couples sponsoring a child, but to adopt one is not an option.

I think to discuss this, we need to know what homosexuality. Is it true that people are born gay? I've heard some people say this, but I have never seen or read from a credible source that this is true. If anyone here has any information on this, feel free to share.

Is homosexuality a physical disease? Probably not. With the advanced medical techonolgy that we have nowadays, I doubt that this is true or atleast untreatable. Again, if some one knows more about it, feel free to share.

Is homosexuality a psychological thing? a disease? Yes, probably. Most gay people can have relations with opposite genders but according to them, they just 'prefer' same sex partners. If that is not a psychological then what is it? Now, if someone wants to come in and say that hey, it their life and let them do whatever they prefer. Then, my questionis that where d you draw a line? There will be people very soon who want to have sexual relations with animals. Thats what they would prefer. Will they be allowed to do such things? Thats where morals and principles come in...

Homosexuality has been referred to in literature and spiritual texts for thousands of years, yet it is only in the past 150 years that the scientific community has examined the cause(s) of sexual orientation.

• 1800's -- Germans Karl Heinrich Ulrichs and Magnus Hirschfeld, M.D., introduced the theory that sexuality is inborn. Hirschfeld also proposed that sex was multidimensional, and "male" and "female" were abstractions.
• In the early 1900's, these theories were contradicted by Sigmund Freud, M.D., who proposed that "perversions" and neuroses were merely alternative ways of dealing with unresolved Oedipal conflicts. He believed, "The boy represses his love for his mother by putting himself in her place, identifies himself with her, and takes his own person as a model in whose likeness he chooses his new love objects."
• 1924 -- Biologist J.B.S. Haldane, observing some possible same-sex behavior in animals, wrote, "The universe is not only queerer than we suppose, it is queerer than we can suppose." Since then, homosexuality has been observed in 478 animal species.
• 1948 -- Dr. Alfred Kinsey, et al. published Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, which stated: "Males do not represent two discrete populations, heterosexual and homosexual. The world is not to be divided into sheep and goats. It is a fundamental of taxonomy that nature rarely deals with discrete categories...The living world is a continuum in each and every one of its aspects." The book shocked Americans, especially with its claim that 10% of the population could be homosexual.
• 1954 -- Dr. Evelyn Hooker presented the results of her research to the American Psychological Association, which found that in comparing personality tests between homosexual and heterosexual men, "The responses of gay and straight men...are indistinguishable; gay men appear to be as well adjusted as straights."
• 1969 -- New York City police raided a gay bar in Greenwich Village - the Stonewall Inn - that started a series of riots lasting nearly a week. The first night of the riots, an estimated 2,000 gays fought back against 400 police officers. The Gay Liberation Front was founded later that year, thereby marking the beginning of the gay rights movement in the United States, and allowing a more public debate over the nature of sexual orientation to emerge.
• 1991 -- The peer-reviewed journal Science published an article, "A Difference in Hypothalamic Structure Between Heterosexual and Homosexual Men," (Vol. 253, pp. 1034-1037) in which Simon LeVay, et al. stated that the hypothalamus in the brains of gay men were a different size than those of straight men.
• 1991 -- The peer-reviewed journal Archives of General Psychiatry (Vol. 48, No. 12, pp. 1089-1096) published an article by J. Michael Bailey and Richard C. Pillard et al., which examined identical twins, fraternal twins and adoptive siblings of gay men. The study found, "of the relatives whose sexual orientation could be rated, 52% of monozygotic cotwins, 22% of dizygotic cotwins, and 11% of adoptive brothers were homosexual." Critics, however, noted that the siblings were raised together, which could mean there was environmental influence on sexual orientation.
• 1999 -- Dean H. Hamer, Ph.D., published an article in the peer-reviewed journal Science (Vol. 285, p. 803a) which proposed: "Sexual orientation is a complex trait that is probably shaped by many different factors, including multiple genes, biological, environmental, and sociocultural influences."
• 2003 -- Some researchers claimed that individuals can change their sexual orientation, either through therapy or prayer. The Archives of Sexual Behavior (Vol. 32, No. 5, pp. 403-417) published a study by Robert L. Spitzer, M.D., on homosexuals who claimed to have changed sexual orientation: "There is evidence that change in sexual orientation following some form of reparative therapy does occur in some gay men and lesbians." Opponents countered that these patients were merely covering up their true feelings with denial.
• 2004 -- 11 states voted to ban same-sex marriage.
• 2005 -- Swedish researchers published a study that shows that homosexual and heterosexual men respond differently to two odors that may be involved in sexual arousal, and that the gay men respond in the same way as women. The researchers speculated that their findings may "suggest a link between sexual orientation and hypothalamic neuronal processes."
• 2006 -- An article published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (Vol 103, No. 28, pp. 10771-10774) by Anthony F. Bogaert et al., stated that the only significant factor for homosexuality in males was the number of times a mother had previously given birth to boys. Whether or not the siblings were raised in the same family was not significant. Additionally, each older male sibling increased the chances of homosexuality by 33%.

The implications of the debate are far-reaching. Some people maintain that legal rights, such as marriage, adoption, and protection from discrimination, should not be extended to homosexuals since their sexual orientation is a personality development and a choice (nurture). Other people claim these rights must be granted, as homosexuality is biologically derived (nature) and cannot be changed.



This post has been edited by kellyjaz: Jan 29 2007, 11:57 AM

Is there a gay Gene?
Could a germ cause homosexuality?

This post has been edited by kellyjaz: Jan 29 2007, 12:11 PM