101 Bible contradictions! Options

[islambestfaith13]

Masha'Allah akhi,

Nicely refuted!

hmm.... *sobs and cries* why does everyone have to be MORE knowlegable than me?????????????????

[Al-Din'As-Darfur]

poor poor akhi...

[Hinata Prime]

You are intelligent.

Don't worry brother. ^^

[juan]

Does any one take biology anymore? The egg is not of congealed blood. Matter of fact if you want me to get in details I can but I'm going to keep it simple. Blood stores in the Uterues and if isn't used is disspensed in the monthly cycle. If the egg is fertilized them the blood stays under a membrane to act like a cushion for the egg. Then the egg grows. But at no time is it congealed blood. See the real words from the maker whould know this instead of seeing and describing from what they see.

[juan]

You are intelligent.

Don't worry brother. ^^

Hinata Prime do you have a link for a site that doesn't come from an Islamic or Christian point of view. To really understand something like this you have to pull yourself back out of the religion part. So you can look at it from a different angle. The only way to do this is not to have the predisposition on religious beliefs. I've been to the links you have sent and even with evidence in front of them still refuse to see the truth.

[juan]

http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1514930[/url]

[Hinata Prime]

The translation may in fact be mistranslated.

But from my understandings, the blood is from the blood of the monthly cycle.

The menses.

I hope that this answers it for you, or at least helps you see the truth. ^^

[juan]

The translation may in fact be mistranslated.

But from my understandings, the blood is from the blood of the monthly cycle.

The menses.

I hope that this answers it for you, or at least helps you see the truth. ^^

Then it is even misunderstood by the scholars. It was a topic on both links you gave me and they both refer to a baby bieng congealed blood. The only thing I think could be mistranslated in congealed. Congealed in blood that is starting to harden. But blood is blood and I don't think that simple of a word can be mistranslated. Even if the congealed blood is refering to the menses it is still not how life begins. Fertilization usually more times then not takes place in the fallopian tubes. Blood has nothing to do with it until it settles on the uteran wall.
That is science
Without mordern tech it would be hard to see all that and know it isn't the blood that flows from a women that life starts from. And technically life begins at conception which happens in the tubes. One egg and One sperm cell. No blood.

[Hinata Prime]

The blood signifies the release of the egg.

So, the utarien lining would thicken and harden allowing the egg to enter the uterus...

'Nuff said ^^

[respecta]

rex you said contradictions in quran...

there aren't any..
you said the quran is a mixture of torah and bible etc...
the ORIGINAL torah and bible...not the bible and torah which is in this century..coz it has been changed countless times...

[Hinata Prime]

Nice point. ^^

[juan]

the blood does not signafy the release of the egg. It signifies the nonfertalization of an egg. The blood is stored until either fertilization or no fertilazation takes place. So when the blood flows out comes the egg. You do not have blood flow when you are pregnant. So how can the blood flow show the release of the egg. The egg is released up to two weeks before the monthly cycle(actually every 28 days). So this is still wrong in the quran. I left a link earlier check it out.

[juan]

The blood signifies the release of the egg.

So, the utarien lining would thicken and harden allowing the egg to enter the uterus...

'Nuff said ^^

The Uteran lining fills with blood after the egg has been realised. The blood doesn't allow the egg to enter the faliapon tubes due. The egg comes from the ovaries thru the tube, where fertilization takes place and then to the uterues. During the release of the egg the lining of the utereus thickens with blood to cushion the egg. A mucus plug is set to hold the blood for cushion and viola you are having a baby. If the unfertilized egg comes down the tube to the uterus it doesn't attach itself to the lining and viola it is your menstral cycle.

You can look this up on any medical sites. People didn't know this until this century though. So it would be hard for them to know this. We all start as an egg cell and a sperm cell not blood. Proven over and over again.

[juan]

rex you said contradictions in quran...

there aren't any..
you said the quran is a mixture of torah and bible etc...
the ORIGINAL torah and bible...not the bible and torah which is in this century..coz it has been changed countless times...

When they are pointed out will you believe them or just brush them off. And please do more reasearch to find out claims you make. Do you know how far they have writting preserved in original form for the gospels and the torah. A lot longer than the quran. Do you know of what changes you speak of or do you repeat just what you have learned to say. The quran is part torah and part gospel even Muhammed says don't believe then cross reference the torah or the gospel. So at least up to 630 a.d. you have to believe that the gospel and torah had to be correct form not tampered for muslims at the time to cross check facts. Is there preserved writtings of the gospel and torah before 600 a.d.? You bet and they are very similiar to todays versions. Go more king james on bibles not niv or any thing else printed to recent. They leave a lot out from the original. If you want I can tell you a different version of the exodus of Mosses. One that isn't a christian, jewish, or muslim point of view. Through practical history point of view.

[Al-Din'As-Darfur]

This is all about translation ain't it?

Okay, this is one of the few times I'm pulling out a hadith...

The Prophet said: each of you is constituted in your mother's womb for forty days as a nutfa, then it becomes a 'alaqa for an equal period, then a mudgha for another equal period, then the angel is sent, and he breathes the soul into it.

Okay yaaay!

Now to see if this hadith has any background....first quranic verses....
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YUSUFALI: Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed;
PICKTHAL: Then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging;
SHAKIR: Then We made him a small seed in a firm resting-place,

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YUSUFALI: Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!
PICKTHAL: Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!
SHAKIR: Then We made the seed a clot, then We made the clot a lump of flesh, then We made (in) the lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, then We caused it to grow into another creation, so blessed be Allah, the best of the creators.

Yep right there....

Now Science!

I'll give you three sources...
One of them being wikipedia...



Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_relation_...lam_and_science
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The word "alaqah" (Arabic: ÚáÞÉ), rendered by Yusuf Ali as a "clot of congealed blood", is translated as "a leech-like structure" by Abdul Majid Zendani, professor of Islamic studies at the King Abdulaziz University.

Moore claims that the meaning of alaqah is "leech" or "bloodsucker", which he states is an appropriate description of the relationship between the embryo and the endometrium in which it is implanted, between days 7 and 24 of human embryological development.

This is because the human embryo derives blood from the endometrium, in the same way a leech draws blood from its host. Morphologically, too, the embryo at this stage resembles that of a leech, he notes, unobservable by anyone in the seventh century without a microscope.

Quranic Studies http://www.quranicstudies.com/printout69.html
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The Arabic word ‘alaqah has three meanings. The first meaning is “leech”. The second is “a suspended thing”. The third meaning is “a blood clot”.
The second meaning of the word ‘alaqah is “a suspended thing”, and this is what we can see in the attachment of the embryo during the ‘alaqah stage to the uterus (womb) of the mother. The third meaning of the word ‘alaqah is “a blood clot”. It is significant to note, as Professor Moore stated, that the embryo during the ‘alaqah stage goes through well known internal events, such as the formation of blood in closed vessels, until the metabolic cycle is completed through placenta. During the ‘alaqah stage, the blood is caught within closed vessels and that is why the embryo acquires the appearance of a blood clot, in addition to the leech-like appearance. Both descriptions are miraculously given by a single Qur'anic word ‘alaqah.

Understanding Islam http://www.understanding-islam.com/related...ion&did=327
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There is no difference in the meaning of "Alaqah" or "Alaq", with reference to their usage in the related verses. From a morphological perspective, "Alaq" is an infinitive noun, which, when rendered as a proper noun in the Arabic language, is generally used to imply either the active or the passive participle. Thus, "Al-Alaq" means something which sticks or clings or something made to stick or cling. On the other hand, "Alaqah" is the singular form of the noun, implying a sticky or a clinging thing.


Yep that pretty much destroys any counter argument don't it?

[juan]

This is all about translation ain't it?

Okay, this is one of the few times I'm pulling out a hadith...

The Prophet said: each of you is constituted in your mother's womb for forty days as a nutfa, then it becomes a 'alaqa for an equal period, then a mudgha for another equal period, then the angel is sent, and he breathes the soul into it.

Okay yaaay!

Now to see if this hadith has any background....first quranic verses....
023.013
YUSUFALI: Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed;
PICKTHAL: Then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging;
SHAKIR: Then We made him a small seed in a firm resting-place,

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YUSUFALI: Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!
PICKTHAL: Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!
SHAKIR: Then We made the seed a clot, then We made the clot a lump of flesh, then We made (in) the lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, then We caused it to grow into another creation, so blessed be Allah, the best of the creators.

Yep right there....

Now Science!

I'll give you three sources...
One of them being wikipedia...



Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_relation_...lam_and_science
------------
The word "alaqah" (Arabic: ÚáÞÉ), rendered by Yusuf Ali as a "clot of congealed blood", is translated as "a leech-like structure" by Abdul Majid Zendani, professor of Islamic studies at the King Abdulaziz University.

Moore claims that the meaning of alaqah is "leech" or "bloodsucker", which he states is an appropriate description of the relationship between the embryo and the endometrium in which it is implanted, between days 7 and 24 of human embryological development.

This is because the human embryo derives blood from the endometrium, in the same way a leech draws blood from its host. Morphologically, too, the embryo at this stage resembles that of a leech, he notes, unobservable by anyone in the seventh century without a microscope.

Quranic Studies http://www.quranicstudies.com/printout69.html
-----------------

The Arabic word 'alaqah has three meanings. The first meaning is "leech". The second is "a suspended thing". The third meaning is "a blood clot".
The second meaning of the word 'alaqah is "a suspended thing", and this is what we can see in the attachment of the embryo during the 'alaqah stage to the uterus (womb) of the mother. The third meaning of the word 'alaqah is "a blood clot". It is significant to note, as Professor Moore stated, that the embryo during the 'alaqah stage goes through well known internal events, such as the formation of blood in closed vessels, until the metabolic cycle is completed through placenta. During the 'alaqah stage, the blood is caught within closed vessels and that is why the embryo acquires the appearance of a blood clot, in addition to the leech-like appearance. Both descriptions are miraculously given by a single Qur'anic word 'alaqah.

Understanding Islam http://www.understanding-islam.com/related...ion&did=327
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There is no difference in the meaning of "Alaqah" or "Alaq", with reference to their usage in the related verses. From a morphological perspective, "Alaq" is an infinitive noun, which, when rendered as a proper noun in the Arabic language, is generally used to imply either the active or the passive participle. Thus, "Al-Alaq" means something which sticks or clings or something made to stick or cling. On the other hand, "Alaqah" is the singular form of the noun, implying a sticky or a clinging thing.


Yep that pretty much destroys any counter argument don't it?

Whoa wait a second, how come you get to use Hadiths and not I? When I use them you say that many have been proven false and get be used for reliable sources. So when you are talking to me(between you and I) Hadiths are null and void. So lets see what is after that. It is easy for people now a days that know the truth to go back and say oops wrong translation of the word sorry it was the second form of the word or even the third. Sorry every translation of the Quran which I have four two in ingles and two in espanol. They all say congealed blood, blood clot, or glob of blood.. So arabic can't be translated to spanish either huh? I've searched a few hours on line looking for the correct translation and majority say congealed blood. It isn't until people start explaining does it change to leech and so forth. I know something else that is sticky and leech like. Have you ever seen an embryo.

[juan]

This is all about translation ain't it?

Okay, this is one of the few times I'm pulling out a hadith...

The Prophet said: each of you is constituted in your mother's womb for forty days as a nutfa, then it becomes a 'alaqa for an equal period, then a mudgha for another equal period, then the angel is sent, and he breathes the soul into it.

Okay yaaay!

Now to see if this hadith has any background....first quranic verses....
023.013
YUSUFALI: Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed;
PICKTHAL: Then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging;
SHAKIR: Then We made him a small seed in a firm resting-place,

023.014
YUSUFALI: Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!
PICKTHAL: Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!
SHAKIR: Then We made the seed a clot, then We made the clot a lump of flesh, then We made (in) the lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, then We caused it to grow into another creation, so blessed be Allah, the best of the creators.

Yep right there....

Now Science!

I'll give you three sources...
One of them being wikipedia...



Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_relation_...lam_and_science
------------
The word "alaqah" (Arabic: ÚáÞÉ), rendered by Yusuf Ali as a "clot of congealed blood", is translated as "a leech-like structure" by Abdul Majid Zendani, professor of Islamic studies at the King Abdulaziz University.

Moore claims that the meaning of alaqah is "leech" or "bloodsucker", which he states is an appropriate description of the relationship between the embryo and the endometrium in which it is implanted, between days 7 and 24 of human embryological development.

This is because the human embryo derives blood from the endometrium, in the same way a leech draws blood from its host. Morphologically, too, the embryo at this stage resembles that of a leech, he notes, unobservable by anyone in the seventh century without a microscope.

Quranic Studies http://www.quranicstudies.com/printout69.html
-----------------

The Arabic word 'alaqah has three meanings. The first meaning is "leech". The second is "a suspended thing". The third meaning is "a blood clot".
The second meaning of the word 'alaqah is "a suspended thing", and this is what we can see in the attachment of the embryo during the 'alaqah stage to the uterus (womb) of the mother. The third meaning of the word 'alaqah is "a blood clot". It is significant to note, as Professor Moore stated, that the embryo during the 'alaqah stage goes through well known internal events, such as the formation of blood in closed vessels, until the metabolic cycle is completed through placenta. During the 'alaqah stage, the blood is caught within closed vessels and that is why the embryo acquires the appearance of a blood clot, in addition to the leech-like appearance. Both descriptions are miraculously given by a single Qur'anic word 'alaqah.

Understanding Islam http://www.understanding-islam.com/related...ion&did=327
----------------------
There is no difference in the meaning of "Alaqah" or "Alaq", with reference to their usage in the related verses. From a morphological perspective, "Alaq" is an infinitive noun, which, when rendered as a proper noun in the Arabic language, is generally used to imply either the active or the passive participle. Thus, "Al-Alaq" means something which sticks or clings or something made to stick or cling. On the other hand, "Alaqah" is the singular form of the noun, implying a sticky or a clinging thing.


Yep that pretty much destroys any counter argument don't it?

The placenta is part of the communication between the fetus and the expectant mother. Most people tend to think of this communication as the route of exchange where the mother's blood and the fetus's blood mix and exchange, but the fetal blood and maternal blood do not mix. In fact, if this were to be the case, there would be such immunological protest from the mother that she would soon make antibodies to the baby's blood enough to destroy the pregnancy. So what exactly is meant by communication between the fetus and mother, and if no blood is exchanged, how does oxygen and nutrition get passed on to the developing baby?
The "blastocyst," an early cellular developmental stage of the soon-to-be embryo, is the principal influence in its own implantation (nidation) in the uterus (womb). From this early on there are chemical communications, and these chemical and hormonal messages continue in the best interest of the pregnancy until birth. Labor and lactation (milk let-down) are dependent on this communication.
It used to be felt that the baby was just along for the ride, not actively doing anything.


Source: Williams Obstetrics, 18th Edition, F. Gary Cunningham, M.D., Paul C. MacDonald, M.D., Norman F. Grant, M.D., Appleton & Lange, Publishers. ©1999 Gerard M. DiLeo, M.D., F.A.C.O.G.

During pregnancy, the glands and blood vessels in the endometrium further increase in size and number. Vascular spaces fuse and become interconnected, forming the placenta, which supplies oxygen and nutrition to the embryo and fetus.

^ Blue Histology - Female Reproductive System. School of Anatomy and Human Biology - The University of Western Australia


I don't see where the blood is bieng exchanged here. Only oxygen and nutrition. Don't say in the placenta either. That is amniotic fluid not blood.

[Al-Din'As-Darfur]

Whoa wait a second, how come you get to use Hadiths and not I? When I use them you say that many have been proven false and get be used for reliable sources. So when you are talking to me(between you and I) Hadiths are null and void. So lets see what is after that. It is easy for people now a days that know the truth to go back and say oops wrong translation of the word sorry it was the second form of the word or even the third. Sorry every translation of the Quran which I have four two in ingles and two in espanol. They all say congealed blood, blood clot, or glob of blood.. So arabic can't be translated to spanish either huh? I've searched a few hours on line looking for the correct translation and majority say congealed blood. It isn't until people start explaining does it change to leech and so forth. I know something else that is sticky and leech like. Have you ever seen an embryo.

Your problem is that isntead of trying to actually translate the word, you look for excuses to stay ignorant.

There is no 'correct translation of the Quran.

Translations do it no justice.

The word "alaqah" (Arabic: ÚáÞÉ), rendered by Yusuf Ali as a "clot of congealed blood",
It doesn't just mean that....

"Moore claims that the meaning of alaqah is "leech" or "bloodsucker", which he states is an appropriate description of the relationship between the embryo and the endometrium in which it is implanted, between days 7 and 24 of human embryological development."



Because that hadith was the one of the few things related to the translationof the word.

The Yusuf ali version translated it into clot of congelead blood.

But It means more than that.

[Al-Din'As-Darfur]

This is all about translation ain't it?

Okay, this is one of the few times I'm pulling out a hadith...

The Prophet said: each of you is constituted in your mother's womb for forty days as a nutfa, then it becomes a 'alaqa for an equal period, then a mudgha for another equal period, then the angel is sent, and he breathes the soul into it.

Okay yaaay!

Now to see if this hadith has any background....first quranic verses....
023.013
YUSUFALI: Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed;
PICKTHAL: Then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging;
SHAKIR: Then We made him a small seed in a firm resting-place,

023.014
YUSUFALI: Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!
PICKTHAL: Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!
SHAKIR: Then We made the seed a clot, then We made the clot a lump of flesh, then We made (in) the lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, then We caused it to grow into another creation, so blessed be Allah, the best of the creators.

Yep right there....

Now Science!

I'll give you three sources...
One of them being wikipedia...



Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_relation_...lam_and_science
------------
The word "alaqah" (Arabic: ÚáÞÉ), rendered by Yusuf Ali as a "clot of congealed blood", is translated as "a leech-like structure" by Abdul Majid Zendani, professor of Islamic studies at the King Abdulaziz University.

Moore claims that the meaning of alaqah is "leech" or "bloodsucker", which he states is an appropriate description of the relationship between the embryo and the endometrium in which it is implanted, between days 7 and 24 of human embryological development.

This is because the human embryo derives blood from the endometrium, in the same way a leech draws blood from its host. Morphologically, too, the embryo at this stage resembles that of a leech, he notes, unobservable by anyone in the seventh century without a microscope.

Quranic Studies http://www.quranicstudies.com/printout69.html
-----------------

The Arabic word 'alaqah has three meanings. The first meaning is "leech". The second is "a suspended thing". The third meaning is "a blood clot".
The second meaning of the word 'alaqah is "a suspended thing", and this is what we can see in the attachment of the embryo during the 'alaqah stage to the uterus (womb) of the mother. The third meaning of the word 'alaqah is "a blood clot". It is significant to note, as Professor Moore stated, that the embryo during the 'alaqah stage goes through well known internal events, such as the formation of blood in closed vessels, until the metabolic cycle is completed through placenta. During the 'alaqah stage, the blood is caught within closed vessels and that is why the embryo acquires the appearance of a blood clot, in addition to the leech-like appearance. Both descriptions are miraculously given by a single Qur'anic word 'alaqah.

Understanding Islam http://www.understanding-islam.com/related...ion&did=327
----------------------
There is no difference in the meaning of "Alaqah" or "Alaq", with reference to their usage in the related verses. From a morphological perspective, "Alaq" is an infinitive noun, which, when rendered as a proper noun in the Arabic language, is generally used to imply either the active or the passive participle. Thus, "Al-Alaq" means something which sticks or clings or something made to stick or cling. On the other hand, "Alaqah" is the singular form of the noun, implying a sticky or a clinging thing.


Yep that pretty much destroys any counter argument don't it?

The placenta is part of the communication between the fetus and the expectant mother. Most people tend to think of this communication as the route of exchange where the mother's blood and the fetus's blood mix and exchange, but the fetal blood and maternal blood do not mix. In fact, if this were to be the case, there would be such immunological protest from the mother that she would soon make antibodies to the baby's blood enough to destroy the pregnancy. So what exactly is meant by communication between the fetus and mother, and if no blood is exchanged, how does oxygen and nutrition get passed on to the developing baby?
The "blastocyst," an early cellular developmental stage of the soon-to-be embryo, is the principal influence in its own implantation (nidation) in the uterus (womb). From this early on there are chemical communications, and these chemical and hormonal messages continue in the best interest of the pregnancy until birth. Labor and lactation (milk let-down) are dependent on this communication.
It used to be felt that the baby was just along for the ride, not actively doing anything.


Source: Williams Obstetrics, 18th Edition, F. Gary Cunningham, M.D., Paul C. MacDonald, M.D., Norman F. Grant, M.D., Appleton & Lange, Publishers. ©1999 Gerard M. DiLeo, M.D., F.A.C.O.G.

During pregnancy, the glands and blood vessels in the endometrium further increase in size and number. Vascular spaces fuse and become interconnected, forming the placenta, which supplies oxygen and nutrition to the embryo and fetus.

^ Blue Histology - Female Reproductive System. School of Anatomy and Human Biology - The University of Western Australia


I don't see where the blood is bieng exchanged here. Only oxygen and nutrition. Don't say in the placenta either. That is amniotic fluid not blood.

"Do you really understand what is being written?"
ahem...a somewhat paraphrased quote of yours....I thought it might look nice to begin this post...

first, you post a source from gynob.com without doing any kind of reasearch on the arabic language....

Its a blood clot.

Do you know what congealed means?

to congeal is to solidify.

con·geal (kən-jēl')

v., -gealed, -geal·ing, -geals. v.intr.

1. To solidify by or as if by freezing: “My aim . . . was to take the Hill by storm before . . . opposition to spending cuts congealed” (David A. Stockman).
2. To coagulate; jell.

v.tr. To cause to solidify or coagulate or to undergo a process likened to solidification or coagulation. See synonyms at coagulate.

[Middle English congelen, from Old French congeler, from Latin congelāre : com-, com- + gelāre, to freeze.]

As for leach

[juan]

This is all about translation ain't it?

Okay, this is one of the few times I'm pulling out a hadith...

The Prophet said: each of you is constituted in your mother's womb for forty days as a nutfa, then it becomes a 'alaqa for an equal period, then a mudgha for another equal period, then the angel is sent, and he breathes the soul into it.

Okay yaaay!

Now to see if this hadith has any background....first quranic verses....
023.013
YUSUFALI: Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed;
PICKTHAL: Then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging;
SHAKIR: Then We made him a small seed in a firm resting-place,

023.014
YUSUFALI: Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!
PICKTHAL: Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!
SHAKIR: Then We made the seed a clot, then We made the clot a lump of flesh, then We made (in) the lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, then We caused it to grow into another creation, so blessed be Allah, the best of the creators.

Yep right there....

Now Science!

I'll give you three sources...
One of them being wikipedia...



Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_relation_...lam_and_science
------------
The word "alaqah" (Arabic: ÚáÞÉ), rendered by Yusuf Ali as a "clot of congealed blood", is translated as "a leech-like structure" by Abdul Majid Zendani, professor of Islamic studies at the King Abdulaziz University.

Moore claims that the meaning of alaqah is "leech" or "bloodsucker", which he states is an appropriate description of the relationship between the embryo and the endometrium in which it is implanted, between days 7 and 24 of human embryological development.

This is because the human embryo derives blood from the endometrium, in the same way a leech draws blood from its host. Morphologically, too, the embryo at this stage resembles that of a leech, he notes, unobservable by anyone in the seventh century without a microscope.

Quranic Studies http://www.quranicstudies.com/printout69.html
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The Arabic word 'alaqah has three meanings. The first meaning is "leech". The second is "a suspended thing". The third meaning is "a blood clot".
The second meaning of the word 'alaqah is "a suspended thing", and this is what we can see in the attachment of the embryo during the 'alaqah stage to the uterus (womb) of the mother. The third meaning of the word 'alaqah is "a blood clot". It is significant to note, as Professor Moore stated, that the embryo during the 'alaqah stage goes through well known internal events, such as the formation of blood in closed vessels, until the metabolic cycle is completed through placenta. During the 'alaqah stage, the blood is caught within closed vessels and that is why the embryo acquires the appearance of a blood clot, in addition to the leech-like appearance. Both descriptions are miraculously given by a single Qur'anic word 'alaqah.

Understanding Islam http://www.understanding-islam.com/related...ion&did=327
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There is no difference in the meaning of "Alaqah" or "Alaq", with reference to their usage in the related verses. From a morphological perspective, "Alaq" is an infinitive noun, which, when rendered as a proper noun in the Arabic language, is generally used to imply either the active or the passive participle. Thus, "Al-Alaq" means something which sticks or clings or something made to stick or cling. On the other hand, "Alaqah" is the singular form of the noun, implying a sticky or a clinging thing.


Yep that pretty much destroys any counter argument don't it?

The placenta is part of the communication between the fetus and the expectant mother. Most people tend to think of this communication as the route of exchange where the mother's blood and the fetus's blood mix and exchange, but the fetal blood and maternal blood do not mix. In fact, if this were to be the case, there would be such immunological protest from the mother that she would soon make antibodies to the baby's blood enough to destroy the pregnancy. So what exactly is meant by communication between the fetus and mother, and if no blood is exchanged, how does oxygen and nutrition get passed on to the developing baby?
The "blastocyst," an early cellular developmental stage of the soon-to-be embryo, is the principal influence in its own implantation (nidation) in the uterus (womb). From this early on there are chemical communications, and these chemical and hormonal messages continue in the best interest of the pregnancy until birth. Labor and lactation (milk let-down) are dependent on this communication.
It used to be felt that the baby was just along for the ride, not actively doing anything.


Source: Williams Obstetrics, 18th Edition, F. Gary Cunningham, M.D., Paul C. MacDonald, M.D., Norman F. Grant, M.D., Appleton & Lange, Publishers. ©1999 Gerard M. DiLeo, M.D., F.A.C.O.G.

During pregnancy, the glands and blood vessels in the endometrium further increase in size and number. Vascular spaces fuse and become interconnected, forming the placenta, which supplies oxygen and nutrition to the embryo and fetus.

^ Blue Histology - Female Reproductive System. School of Anatomy and Human Biology - The University of Western Australia


I don't see where the blood is bieng exchanged here. Only oxygen and nutrition. Don't say in the placenta either. That is amniotic fluid not blood.

"Do you really understand what is being written?"
ahem...a somewhat paraphrased quote of yours....I thought it might look nice to begin this post...

first, you post a source from gynob.com without doing any kind of reasearch on the arabic language....

Its a blood clot.

Do you know what congealed means?

to congeal is to solidify.

con·geal (kən-jēl')

v., -gealed, -geal·ing, -geals. v.intr.

1. To solidify by or as if by freezing: "My aim . . . was to take the Hill by storm before . . . opposition to spending cuts congealed" (David A. Stockman).
2. To coagulate; jell.

v.tr. To cause to solidify or coagulate or to undergo a process likened to solidification or coagulation. See synonyms at coagulate.

[Middle English congelen, from Old French congeler, from Latin congelāre : com-, com- + gelāre, to freeze.]

As for leach

lets use a drawing. I say lets use a picture. Doesn't look like a leech to me. At week 1 cells only week 2 circular cells. No real changes till week four and wow look what it looks like. Not your drawing. This is an actual picture.And no matter how you try to spin it a developing fetus has nothing to do with congealed or solidifing blood. Only blood it is in contact with is it's own. So sorry about it. It's medical science. Notice the little numbs for arms and feet.


Week 4

Developing embryo