101 Bible contradictions! Options

[islambestfaith13]

See, this is the problem. You are trying to stay ignorant of Al Haqq, the Truth.

You pull up an irrelevent picture, trying to compare it with that from a previous stage of birth.

For indeed Allah created life in stages.

What some people will do to deny the truth amazes me.

[juan]

Wonderfully put.

[Paranoia21]

"islambestfaith" you are ignorant, not to mention arrogant.

[Simba]

I am a Imam/muslim scholar in traning so i can answer it for uuuu....

Brother you are 15 or something. The first rule of the wise is to admit you dont know.

[Simba]

About Embroyology. This debate will go back and forth forever and never end, but i'll add my two cents.

Lets look at some scholarly people on this. I will touch up on Keith L. Moore.

Keith L. Moore is a professor emeritus in the division of anatomy (department of surgery), former Chair of anatomy and associate dean for Basic Medical Sciences (Faculty of Medicine) at the University of Toronto, Ontario, Canada. He has also worked at the King Abdulaziz University in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. He is most known for his textbooks on the subjects of anatomy and human embryology.
He has co-written (with professor Arthur F. Dalley II) Clinically Oriented Anatomy, which is the most popular English-language anatomy textbook in the world, used by scientists, doctors, physiotherapists and students worldwide.

This man, a DEAN of a Medical Science university in the West, converted to Islam AFTER reading about Islam and its embryology. Read his exact words:

This post has been edited by Simba: Sep 12 2007, 03:25 PM

[GoWithGod]

Hey Everyone,

This is GWG. I regret that I have been unable to write my debunking of the 101 Bible contradictions listed at the start of this debate. Not from the lack of evidence mind you but for 2 reasons. First, the internet has been down at my house for months and 2^nd, an attempt by EITHER SIDE to show “contradictions” in either of the holy books (Bible and Qur’an) will be met by a vast array of rebuttals from leading theologians for both sides. For example:

The first contradiction listed at the start of this debate was:

1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?

· God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)

· Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)

“Is this a contradiction? Not at all. In 2 Samuel 24:1, God incited David to number Israel because God was angry with David. Ultimately, God wanted to teach David not to trust in his number of fighting men, but to trust in Him. So, He moved to let David count the fighting men of Israel. He used Satan to do it which is why in 1 Chronicles 21:1, it says Satan moved David to count the men. Both are true. God most probably either sent Satan or allowed Satan to do incite David. But, how can God send Satan to do a job and yet God is not responsible for the sin? Simple.
God's authority extends even over Satan. God can use Satan to accomplish His ultimate will by simply giving permission to Satan to do that which Satan already desires to do. We see this in the crucifixion of Christ where evil men brought Jesus to death. Yet, at the same time, it was the predetermined plan of God that this be done.”

This is one of many rebuttals out on the web. This one came from carm.org.

Now, on the other side of the spectrum (Muslim), a contradiction was listed earlier in the post that is within the Qu’ran:

"Sura 6:14 claims that Abraham was the first Muslim, whereas Sura 7:143 says that Moses was the first Muslim. There can only be one “founder”.

Quran (006 : 014 )
Say: "Shall I take for my protector any other than Allah, the Maker of the heavens and the earth? And He it is that feedeth but is not fed." Say: "Nay! but I am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah (in Islam), and be not thou of the company of those who join gods with Allah."

It says "SAY". This means its telling the reader to say it, and in this situation it is saying to tell it to the nonbelievers. Its saying that a believer should be among the first to bow down to God in a religious situation. Its telling Muslims to take initiative. It has nothing to do with what you were saying.

Quran (007 : 143 )
When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe."

Moses was the first to believe in his situation, aka the Hebrew area. the first to believe on the mountain. What MOSES (hence the quotes) is saying is an expression, not a literal "im the first human in history to believe".

To answer your question- Adam was the first submitter to God according to Muslims."

As you can see, both sides have responses. I hold that the Qur’an is FRAUGHT with contradictions and you say the same about the Bible. Unless you are REALLY searching for answers, I will not be able to prove otherwise. But, if you want evidence, start checking out the prophecies about Muhammad vs. the prophecies about Jesus. THAT is interesting stuff. In fact, I am starting a debate on it. Post any prophecies and their fulfillments in that debate please. But, one requirement: The prophecy must be clearly (or symbolically) interpreted IN THE HOLY BOOK YOU ACCEPT.

Hope to see you there soon, God Bless,

GWG (Go With God)

[Simba]

Hey Everyone,

This is GWG. I regret that I have been unable to write my debunking of the 101 Bible contradictions listed at the start of this debate. Not from the lack of evidence mind you but for 2 reasons. First, the internet has been down at my house for months and 2^nd, an attempt by EITHER SIDE to show “contradictions” in either of the holy books (Bible and Qur’an) will be met by a vast array of rebuttals from leading theologians for both sides. For example:

The first contradiction listed at the start of this debate was:

1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?

· God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)

· Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)

“Is this a contradiction? Not at all. In 2 Samuel 24:1, God incited David to number Israel because God was angry with David. Ultimately, God wanted to teach David not to trust in his number of fighting men, but to trust in Him. So, He moved to let David count the fighting men of Israel. He used Satan to do it which is why in 1 Chronicles 21:1, it says Satan moved David to count the men. Both are true. God most probably either sent Satan or allowed Satan to do incite David. But, how can God send Satan to do a job and yet God is not responsible for the sin? Simple.
God's authority extends even over Satan. God can use Satan to accomplish His ultimate will by simply giving permission to Satan to do that which Satan already desires to do. We see this in the crucifixion of Christ where evil men brought Jesus to death. Yet, at the same time, it was the predetermined plan of God that this be done.”

This is one of many rebuttals out on the web. This one came from carm.org.

Now, on the other side of the spectrum (Muslim), a contradiction was listed earlier in the post that is within the Qu’ran:

"Sura 6:14 claims that Abraham was the first Muslim, whereas Sura 7:143 says that Moses was the first Muslim. There can only be one “founder”.

Quran (006 : 014 )
Say: "Shall I take for my protector any other than Allah, the Maker of the heavens and the earth? And He it is that feedeth but is not fed." Say: "Nay! but I am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah (in Islam), and be not thou of the company of those who join gods with Allah."

It says "SAY". This means its telling the reader to say it, and in this situation it is saying to tell it to the nonbelievers. Its saying that a believer should be among the first to bow down to God in a religious situation. Its telling Muslims to take initiative. It has nothing to do with what you were saying.

Quran (007 : 143 )
When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe."

Moses was the first to believe in his situation, aka the Hebrew area. the first to believe on the mountain. What MOSES (hence the quotes) is saying is an expression, not a literal "im the first human in history to believe".

To answer your question- Adam was the first submitter to God according to Muslims."

As you can see, both sides have responses. I hold that the Qur’an is FRAUGHT with contradictions and you say the same about the Bible. Unless you are REALLY searching for answers, I will not be able to prove otherwise. But, if you want evidence, start checking out the prophecies about Muhammad vs. the prophecies about Jesus. THAT is interesting stuff. In fact, I am starting a debate on it. Post any prophecies and their fulfillments in that debate please. But, one requirement: The prophecy must be clearly (or symbolically) interpreted IN THE HOLY BOOK YOU ACCEPT.

Hope to see you there soon, God Bless,

GWG (Go With God)

Impressive post, and I would like to agree with you in the fact that i dont like nit picking Bibles, Qurans, etc and almost all "contradictions" in any holy book are merely an invention of humans. God cannot contradict. He must be perfect.

I have written a post as to why Muslims shouldn't look for contradictions in the Bible and I cannot say that I endorse this thread:

http://muslimonline.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=1847