Do You Think Gay People Choose to be Gay? Options

^sister tell her that she is NOT a muslim until she stops her homosexuality...

I hate it when ppl try to change islam just to make someone think of it better in there view-islam will never change you heard me KRAZY?


ALLAHU AKBAR!

hmm, i get what u sayin and understand where ur coming from but as long as she dont act upon it i dont see nothing wrong with it ... MashaALLAH she is good read Namaz 5 tyms a day reads and even studies in islamic skool 2 be a better muslim ... but she cant elp what she feels can she? as long as she dont act upon it, its ok with me .... But if she does then shes broken tht bond shes built between her self and her lord... enwys whom are we to judge ... onli Allah (swt) can judge ... not takin digz btw izaki

^sister tell her that she is NOT a muslim until she stops her homosexuality...

I hate it when ppl try to change islam just to make someone think of it better in there view-islam will never change you heard me KRAZY?


ALLAHU AKBAR!

hmm, i get what u sayin and understand where ur coming from but as long as she dont act upon it i dont see nothing wrong with it ... MashaALLAH she is good read Namaz 5 tyms a day reads and even studies in islamic skool 2 be a better muslim ... but she cant elp what she feels can she? as long as she dont act upon it, its ok with me .... But if she does then shes broken tht bond shes built between her self and her lord... enwys whom are we to judge ... onli Allah (swt) can judge ... not takin digz btw izaki

look sister-i am not worried about her feeling gay or wanting to kiss a girl! BUT if she actually begins practising it...then
anyway-mashallah she sounds like a good muslim...almost as good as me lol

LOL AND ME^^ i

^sister tell her that she is NOT a muslim until she stops her homosexuality...

I hate it when ppl try to change islam just to make someone think of it better in there view-islam will never change you heard me KRAZY?


ALLAHU AKBAR!

hmm, i get what u sayin and understand where ur coming from but as long as she dont act upon it i dont see nothing wrong with it ... MashaALLAH she is good read Namaz 5 tyms a day reads and even studies in islamic skool 2 be a better muslim ... but she cant elp what she feels can she? as long as she dont act upon it, its ok with me .... But if she does then shes broken tht bond shes built between her self and her lord... enwys whom are we to judge ... onli Allah (swt) can judge ... not takin digz btw izaki

look sister-i am not worried about her feeling gay or wanting to kiss a girl! BUT if she actually begins practising it...then
anyway-mashallah she sounds like a good muslim...almost as good as me lol

Actions matter little without a good heart. If a man gives a million dollars to a charity so a statue of him is erected in a public place, he did the right thing for the wrong reasons. I think this is a common problem today in our faith. I think both of you are probably doing what is in your heart as well, therefore are justified in doing your actions. This "non-practicing lesbian" (I mean that differentiate from a non-practicing Muslim) sister you talk about sounds pretty cool as well.

I think people are born with intense desires for the same sex. But I don't think society should condone the practice by doing what California did. However, on the same note I don't think their civil rights should be violated just because they are gay.

So I think there needs to be some sort of provision for a partnership like a marriage, but not called a marriage. I just think that word belongs to a man and a woman.

Civil union perhaps?

Isn't that still marriage? Really what is marriage right now? A civil union between a man and women.

Well yeah it is, but the wording makes it happier some how..

It does for many.

yes i suppose if I were gay and I was in love with another man, like I am with my wife I probably would want it called marriage as well...

Indeed.

Well Murky I guess you can say River understands now huh?

Indeedy do. That sums it up nicely.

Next....

This post has been edited by murkylight: Jun 22 2008, 02:54 PM

Yeah they choose to love one another and they choose to do other things too.
Like we choose to follow our religion instead of doing other things.
The whole point is that God will judge us, so if we are to live in peace, we should just let people get on with their lives and do what they choose to do.
Cuz they got to go one way or the other.

JJ

Yup I agree with you. I am not sure of the social implications of it all however. It is kinda like here in the West where Weed is pretty much legal if you have a medical card. But then there are issues that come up like what happens if you are at work and a accident happens, and you blow hot?

Or, say driving a car.

In this case how do we deal with the integration of the gay community into mainstream?

For our children for example what do we tell them? What do we teach them? How do we teach them?

What about sex education in school, what is the curriculum? How about sending your child to the neighbors home for overnights and the couple is gay?

I think the list goes on, and how do we explain the Quran where God has explicitly said that Sodom was destroyed for many reasons and one is that they invented the practice?

All of this is very very challenging, and we as a society declaring "marriage" legal between the same sex, forces the integration, and the problems.

So while we individually cannot really judge, as these people will judge themselves. We do need to make judgments about our children and how we teach them about the issue in the light of the Quran's Words on the subject...

i apologize ahead of time for language but i use it only to prove a point and not to offend anyone as i believe it will be clear in my post

if you get angry when someone uses the term *** as a direct insult towards someone who is homosexual or then you have no justification in arguing that they should not be allowed to do everything that you have the right to do

this i think is a pretty universal argument, if you don't like people using the terms nigger, towel-head, terrorist, chink, spic, wetback, cracker, honky, dike, kike, zipperhead, etc. as an insult for you being identified as a of a certain race or religion then you have no right to deny them equal rights

this is not to say that you should call people these terms or that hating any of these people is justified as i think that to deny people rights or to insult them for simply that reason is wrong but perhaps worse is to want to have it both ways

you can't say that you should be nice to these people and them deny them equality

i think this is a uniquely worse form of hatred for the false love, acceptance, and respect shown. it is an attempt to mask your bigotry

so think, if you don't like people insulting someone for who they are (chosen or by nature) then what argument do you have for not treating them as equals?

What is Islam's view of homosexuality?

There is no doubt that in Islam homosexuality is considered 'sinful'. Homosexuality as far as Islam is concerned is a profound mistake ( as are all sins if they are not intending to do wrong). Humans are not homosexuals by nature. People become homosexuals because of their environments. Particularly critical is the environment during puberty. Suggestions, ideas & strange dreams are symptoms of confused attempts to understand new and blunt sexual desires and are rashly interpreted as defining someone as being one sexuality or another. If these conclusions are accompanied by actual homosexual acts they are even more strongly reinforced.

Human instincts can be subjected to acts of will. Sexuality is a choice of identity which follows choices of action which follow from choices of what to have sexual fantasies about. Human beings are especially able to control their thoughts, entertaining some and dismissing others.

However, if this free will is not recognised it is easy to get into a cycle of thinking which starts from accepting a hypothesis about yourself as true rather than as a possible choice (even if the options are sometimes difficult).For example: "I am lazy " could be supposed true by someone. When the person who thinks this lies around in bed in the morning he observes this inaction as evidence of the statement "I am lazy." As he repeatedly chooses to do so the evidence mounts and the idea becomes fixed in his identity. It may even have physical manifestations and change his physiology and psychology. This process can easily occur for any idea good or bad about the self which is based largely on evidence resulting from ones own action. The idea may be "I am 'gay'" or "I am content" or "I love eating lots of food". The truth is - you are what you choose to be ; you do what you choose to do ; you think what you choose to think. There may be long time delays between the causing choices and the effects but anyone can change themselves. There are reformed ex-drug addicts, reformed ex-compulsive gamblers and ex-homosexuals. In all these sins prevention is 1000 times better than cure and much easier.

It has been suggested that homosexuality is genetically inherited and that those who have this 'predisposition' are victims of it not sinners of any sort. However, there are other things which are probably genetically influenced to give predispositions to for example gambling or alcoholism .It could also be argued (and has been) that it is programmed into men's genetics for them to be unfaithful to their partner. All these things don't make it the right thing to do, nor does it prevent these things from being regarded as sinful. Drinking alcohol will still be regarded as sinful in Islam even if you have a predisposition to be an alcoholic. The trick as every post alcoholic will tell you is never touch another drop after you quit - it is a long slippery slope - your life is better without it. Once a certain desire is connected to your identity strongly and you get in some way hooked on it, it will always be easy to return to it - you are unable to forget the satisfaction. The difficult task is remembering the bad side of the desire, such as hangovers, lost money, self loathing or a simply sense of loss because of what you missed out on. But if you are to change for the better, you must remember this and the past desires you bound up with your identity can become disconnected from what you choose to become.