QUOTE(juan @ May 31 2008, 03:20 AM)
Ok Cameron lets say a being forms and creates another form of life. The created form of life could consider the being that created him his God. That is my point. Even though the Creator being is mortal and has traits of his creation can still be considered God. Even though the being doesn't posses the all power all mighty attributes we put with God. That was my point. Just cause a greater being maybe bald, big head, grey skin created man doesn't mean the grey skinned being was really God but just considered by his creation.
that is not the traditional notion of god but ok let's take up your claim. as proven by the fact that things occur post the initial creation i.e. miracles.
Let's take the premise of the "creator" creating the person who address the other as god. It requires that the necessary things to create that person existed. This is because if that "creator" created the necessary things to create that person he would be creating existence meaning you fall prey to my earlier post about how existence cannot be created.
Now assuming this creator manipulated essentially ingredients then they made this person.
If the creator made the person then it is essentially what occurs when a person makes a table or when a chef bakes a cake, why does that person gain reverence, should cakes pray to the chef to be digested by a good person as opposed to someone with irritable bowl syndrome so they don't become diarrhea? That makes no sense. The essence of worship etc is that the person has the capability to alter your future. I.e. you can go to heaven or hell. This maker doesn't have that capability. Also, how doesn't this person make you it doesn't make much sense. What does it mean to say that someone understands existence. Existence is existence, you aren't created but occurred. Define what it means to be created then I can explain why this concept doesn't make sense.
Also, the essential question, who made this grey skinned creator thing? Why do they not have to be created an we do.