Gay Muslims Are Muslims. Options

Assalamu 3alaikum

I was just browsing through the "Gay thread" and came a across a post which i will not quote about gay muslims not BEING muslims.

Being a Homosexual is ofcourse something islam frowns upon however, Being a Homosexual or feeling like one and NOT acting upon these urges is fine and its a hard test - such a person is STILL a muslim. However if that person is weak and acts upon these urges then they are sinning, but there is nothing that i have come across which nullifies their belief nor makes them a kaffir, they are muslims sinning.


Discuss.

they are muslims that will get what they deserve in the hereafter...they are muslims that will be stoned to death once they commit the evil act. However the are good muslims if they have homo thoughts but do not act on them~instead they will be rewarded bcz they left there desires and urges for Allah's reward in the hereafter

Can you bring me the actual reference to stoning them to death...

This post has been edited by kellyjaz: Jun 24 2008, 02:17 PM

I only follow the Quran and our Prophet. Thats my way of Islam. I don't listen to Imams, what they interpret is their view. I try to follow Islam as Quran and our Prophet said.
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Now to the topic, I don't recall reading reading about gays in Quran except relations between married males and females.
As for gays, let Allah decide if they are Muslims or not.

i need to ask dad for the reference...
he is the one that knows the Quran and most hadiths off by heart not me...

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Now to the topic, I don't recall reading reading about gays in Quran except relations between married males and females.
As for gays, let Allah decide if they are Muslims or not.

Gay muslims are MUSLIMS, there is no evidence to state otherwise, they are sinning, but they are still muslims.

1) Its intresting to see how scholars whom have spent literally all their lives studying the Sunnah and Quran are of no relevance, What they say is not their opinion, it is based on evidence and there are fundementals and regulations that they have to adhere to, however this is not the topic.

We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you?

For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds."
[Surah Al-Araf Verses 80-81]

Yes, Homosexuals who PRACTICE their lusts are a people whom are committing a transgression against what Allah has ordained lawful. But this does not nullify their faith, it just means they are a people who are sinning. The verse clearly says those who practice, and nothing about those who do not act upon these urges, furthermore even those who practice do not become kaffirs.

Can you bring me the actual reference to stoning them to death...

Stoning to Death for anything is usually found in the Bukhari collection of hadiths, Its been questioned since it was written.

The Quran never ordains stoning as a punishment for sin.

I disagree Kellyjaz and i zaki...here is why...

1) What leads to haraam is haraam itself...this is a very basic shariah ruling for haram and halal...if it will lead you to do haraam then it is haram. So if a homo is allowed to be homo and think homo thoughts, then its only a matter of time before this desire will build up inside them and they will want to act upon it...and there is no halal way to act upon homosexual thoughts...you cant get married to someone of the same sex...u cant do anything else that will satisfy this desire in a halal way, so this will inevitably lead you to haraam. its actually pretty logical. So thinking these thoughts is as bad as acting on it really.
another example is zinah...we know clearly that Allah (swt) forbids this horrible act. Allah (swt) in the Nobel Qur’an said:

Nor come near to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils).

Surah 17 Verse 32
so you see...Allah (swt) did not say 'do not commit adultery' He says not to even come near it. So if you are dating someone of the oppisite sex than this is considered coming very very very close to zina (extramarital sex) thus it is haram.

2) Marriage is half of our deen, it is the Sunnah of our prophet. So if a guy decides he wants to be gay (notice I said decide because I dont think homosexuality is something innate) from a young age and thinks gay thoughts all his life...but doesnt act on them...then what? he cant marry a guy because its haraam...he needs to get married to fulfill his desires and to complete his deen...so you see this poses so many probs...

finally I wanna say...or ask rather; is this common? please dont say it is common...are muslims choosing to be homos?? omg whats nxt? muslim gay couples perhaps?...ya Allah what is happening to this ummah. Also lets not sugar coat homosexuality...this is something that we should despise and be repulsed by, lets not forget what happened to the people of Lut.

Its sick and un-natural and a huge sin- but we can't say committing such a sin takes a person out of the fold of Islam.
Only shirk takes one out of the fold of Islam.


you know it is this intolerance that is taking these g ays even further away from Islam. we need awareness, not intolerance.

shia perspective:

being gay does not take one out of the folds of islam but believing that being gay is not a sin would take you out of the folds of islam.

conversely a gay person who believes themself to be committing a sin would still be classified as a muslim whereas a straight person who believes that homosexuality is allowed (even though he has read it is forbiden in the quran) would then take themselves out of the fold of islam even though they are not gay themself.

Assalamu alaikum,
hi I do not believe I mentioned anything about it taking them out of Islam...Allah (swt) will give them what they deserve (harsh harsh punishment inshaAllah) It is not up to us to decide whether or not they are Muslims. I merely meant to empathize how repulsive and haram this concept is, and that even 'thinking' these homo thoughts is haram.

We should try to distance our selves from such an abomination, keekee, because it is like a disease...thus we should treat it like it is contagious keep it contained and out of sight, we should keep our brothers and sisters away from them and our children so that they do not become to comfortable with the idea and think that its normal or ok to be gay. you know what I mean? Its enough we see them all over the t.v, the media is trying to secretly make us all accept the idea of homosexuality, but we must not give in.

Also I was trying to say that there is no need to use euphemisms when talking about homosexuality...we should be truthful; this is our deen, don't sugar coat it and make it seem like we love gay people and its ok to be gay...its not, its haram, its disgusting. Thats all, just a thought anyway... take it or leave it

i wasn't trying to say we should be all pally and cuddly with g ays, is that what you thought?

i was saying, there needs to be AWARENESS. did the prophet Muhammad ever turn away from someone because they were sinning? no, he tried to help them to stop sinning. what are we doing to help if we ostrasize these people? we need to make them aware that in Islam it is a huge sin, one which is so loathed by Allah that he punished the people of Lut for. thats what i am trying to say.

no I wasn't referring to u when I was talking about the people who make it seem like we should accept them with open arms...there are some other people on this thread who made it seem like they are just one of us...

I feel like by ostracizing them we are helping, we are making them aware of how huge the sin is...because we are not including them they will be forced to realize just how bad they are and change, or no? I just seriously dont want them around me or my family ...I guess we should make them recognize how disgusting their disease is by approaching them and saying this to them, but then once they know what we think, we should isolate them and exclude them from society. I think we should treat zina the same way...we all are starting to be ok with our Muslim brothers dating and sleeping around, and sisters too... istakhfirillah!

btw...no one answered my question: is this becoming common among Muslims? I heard that in UAE there are a ton of 'Muslim' gay guys that go cheat on their wives with other guys...yuck...poor wives...ya haram... but I mean I have never met any gay Muslim, or heard of anyone in my very large Islamic community who is gay... at least not open about it.

oh yeh, they actually showed a program literally called "gay muslims"on TV. I some of it. surprisingly yes, it is becoming common unfortunately.

It is Allah who is the best of judges, He knows what it is the heart whether it is kufr or belief.

As for homosexuality, personally I find it very strange.

sorry, my bad. i watched some of it and one of the guys was saying but it doesnt harm anyone etc so why is it wrong?.. he actually had the holy Qur'an open infront of him.

boy, was I shocked.