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> Was Prophet Muhammad Al Mustafa Sallallahu Alayhi Wa Alehe Wa Sallam Infallible?

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post Oct 2 2008, 12:51 PM
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Salaams,

What is the sunni perspective on the infallibility of the prophets (peace and blessings be upon them all) in general and the infallibility of our prophet - Muhammad pbuh.gif in particular?

There are several possibilities:

- He was completely infallible in every aspect of his life.
- He was completely fallible in every aspect of his life.
- He was infallible in religious matters but fallible in other matters. ( i have heard stories that the prophet pbuh.gif was asked advice about farming and when the advice he pbuh.gif gave turned out to be rubbish advice - he told the person who had relied upon his advice that he was a prophet of god and not a farmer and therefore the person should not have relied on his advice in the field of farming)

I look forward to sunnis from different schools insha allah coming forward and stating their beliefs and trying to prove them logically and quranically.

for those who do not know - shias believe all the prophets (peace be upon them all) to be 100% infallible - the logical argument being that how can Allah entrust the responsibility of his message to people who will dilute the truth of his message by failing to act in accordance with the message themselves?

As for the quranic evidence - i will share a couple of ayats which will clarify their position:

"And we did not send any messenger, unless he should be obeyed by Allah's authority." (Quran 4:64)

"Whoever obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys Allah." (Quran 4:80)




In the above verses as well as many other verses of the Quran, obedience of Allah has become synonymous with the obedience of the prophets. Such assertion would have been impossible if the prophets were not infallible (Ma'soom). Now, note the following verse:
"....and obey not from among them a sinner or an ungrateful one." (Quran 76:24)
The picture is complete! "The prophets are to be obeyed," and "the sinners are NOT to be obeyed." The only conclusion is that the prophets were NOT sinners or wrong-doers. In other words, they were infallible (Ma'soom) and sinless.

Salaams



 
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post Oct 31 2010, 06:57 AM
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AOAWRBHU:

Simple logic of belief applies here.

If anyone beleives that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is prone to mistakes, then you can't justify the authenticity of Al Quran as flawless.... PERIOD.

Therefore, the impeccability of Al Quran demands the infallibility of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).


Those who want to get into the debate of plam dates advise, they are just wasting time, as the word Deen means Decission. So if your decisions taken in daily life based on the advise of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) are turning out to be a loss, then you need to work and straighten your own Deen than NauzobilAllah, blaming Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) for a wrong advice.

For those who believe that His (pbuh) prophethood was a result of Behavior modification at the age of 40, then they are gravely mistaken, and flatly rejecting the following verse:

[Yusufali 3:84] Say: "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam)."

Did Allah (swt) wait for Jesus to turn 40?
Did Allah (swt) protect Moses in his infancy in the basket to reach Pharon's palace?

Why did Allah (swt) had to wait for our last beloved Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to turn 40?


Conclusion:

Therefore, one has to believe that He(pbuh) was Prophet from day one, and He (pbuh) only declared it when He (pbuh) turned 40.


Mainstream Scholars are still debating NauzobilAllah, whether He (pbuh) was literate or not? Mainstream scholars also endorse rubbish Ahadith, such as a women used to throw trash on Him (pbuh) --- NauzobilAllah, and when one day, when the lady didn't throw it, the Prophet (pbuh) went to her house, and she converted to Islam?

I ask those who accept such man written Hadiths, that Is throwing trash allowed on streets in Islam which advocates cleanliness and healthy environment? Don't you think Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) would have advised anyone to not to throw trash on streets? No wonder, majority of muslim world, still throw trash on the streets.. because they have accepted such man written Ahadiths and in doing so reject the verses revealed by Allah (swt), which says.

Al Quran 33:33, "And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless."

I will be bit blunt here in quoting another example...

It's widely said that humans are like animals but the only difference is that Humans can talk.

Now those who sustain that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was just like us, and in their argument, they love to post this verse:

"Say: "Glorified be my Lord! Am I anything but a man, sent as a Messenger''..." [17:93]



Now please compare it when you say that we are also like animals, but we speak?

Now this attribute of "Speak" is soooooooooooo unique that it distinguishes you from animals? Similarly, declaring oneself as Messenger is The main attribute which distinguishes Him (pbuh) from all other Men.

Those who think that being a Messenger is not a special attribute, than they can try their best to modify their behavior to reach that state -- perhaps only to learn that
Chosen ones are Chosen ones from day one.

This post has been edited by Bar Haq: Oct 31 2010, 07:18 AM
 
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