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> Was Prophet Muhammad Al Mustafa Sallallahu Alayhi Wa Alehe Wa Sallam Infallible?

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post Oct 2 2008, 12:51 PM
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Salaams,

What is the sunni perspective on the infallibility of the prophets (peace and blessings be upon them all) in general and the infallibility of our prophet - Muhammad pbuh.gif in particular?

There are several possibilities:

- He was completely infallible in every aspect of his life.
- He was completely fallible in every aspect of his life.
- He was infallible in religious matters but fallible in other matters. ( i have heard stories that the prophet pbuh.gif was asked advice about farming and when the advice he pbuh.gif gave turned out to be rubbish advice - he told the person who had relied upon his advice that he was a prophet of god and not a farmer and therefore the person should not have relied on his advice in the field of farming)

I look forward to sunnis from different schools insha allah coming forward and stating their beliefs and trying to prove them logically and quranically.

for those who do not know - shias believe all the prophets (peace be upon them all) to be 100% infallible - the logical argument being that how can Allah entrust the responsibility of his message to people who will dilute the truth of his message by failing to act in accordance with the message themselves?

As for the quranic evidence - i will share a couple of ayats which will clarify their position:

"And we did not send any messenger, unless he should be obeyed by Allah's authority." (Quran 4:64)

"Whoever obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys Allah." (Quran 4:80)




In the above verses as well as many other verses of the Quran, obedience of Allah has become synonymous with the obedience of the prophets. Such assertion would have been impossible if the prophets were not infallible (Ma'soom). Now, note the following verse:
"....and obey not from among them a sinner or an ungrateful one." (Quran 76:24)
The picture is complete! "The prophets are to be obeyed," and "the sinners are NOT to be obeyed." The only conclusion is that the prophets were NOT sinners or wrong-doers. In other words, they were infallible (Ma'soom) and sinless.

Salaams



 
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post Oct 20 2008, 05:33 PM
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the prophet pbuh.gif was the greatest mujtahid and so when he made decisions prior to a quranic verse being revealed - how can this be a sin?

the quran was not revealed to perfect prophet muhammads manners because he was already regarded as amin and sadiq by the pagan arabs before he announced his prophethood.

do sunni muslims think allah made muhamad pbuh.gif a prophet at the age of 40 because he never told a lie or is it because allah had already made him a prophet was the reason he never lied cheated stole drank alcohol etc etc?

you have completely miunderstood the concept of prophethood by believing allah is censuring the prophet in the quran. prohibiting what is not prohibited for yourself is not a sin and if you regard it a sin in light of the verse - how can the pophet have committed a sin which did not yet exist?

the same would apply to the issue of the captives.

with regard to the hadith about pollinating the dates - why would the prophet give insructions on a worldly issue about which he was neither asked his opinion nor did he have any knowledge over the issue. the hadith is insulting the prophet by saying he gave advice which he was not even asked about which turned out false.

the quran talks about obeying the prophet and never gives any clause on only obeying with regard to revelation.

33:6 says the prophet has more authority over us than we have over ourselves. that means if i am praying my salat and the prophet orders me to break it - i must break it.

thanks for clarifying your position on why you believe the prophet was an ordinary human being but it is something we wil never agree on.

i would also appreciate other sunnis opinions - espcially sufis as i understand their thoghts on the prophet pbuh.gif is close to the shias.

salaams

 
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