We Need To Stand Up To These Idiots Like The Guy Who Planted The Car Bomb In Times Square! Options

[Nazia1987]

I'm sure everyone at MO is just as against this guy as I am! I think we as Muslims need to start making it known we don't support or condone these criminals (no matter what country they are doing this crap in!) Too many people think we all silently support them!

The worst part is that I can't even figure it out... what I mean is that, it's wrong to take another person's life... but why do these guys target innocent civilians? It's not even their target!! (the gov't). Why this keeps happening! This guy has just made things worse for the rest of us in the west!

[Nazia1987]

sorry I think this should be in the controversial section oops

[Simba]

The dude sucks at bombing anyway.

[Nazia1987]

LOL yaa so true right?

But seriously though... I feel bad for Pakistani people here in US.... catching so much crap from Americans all ready... this dude must have made it much worse! It a white guy snaps and goes crazy and kills his coworkers, people make it out because he was a crazy lunatic (true). not because he is white or American. If a Pakistani guy does it, people get this impression it's not because he's a crazy lunatic, it's BECAUSE he's Pakistani and because he's a Muslim...

[Simba]

LOL yaa so true right?

But seriously though... I feel bad for Pakistani people here in US.... catching so much crap from Americans all ready... this dude must have made it much worse! It a white guy snaps and goes crazy and kills his coworkers, people make it out because he was a crazy lunatic (true). not because he is white or American. If a Pakistani guy does it, people get this impression it's not because he's a crazy lunatic, it's BECAUSE he's Pakistani and because he's a Muslim...

Haha yea when that white dude ran into a building in Austin (i live in Austin) no one really cared. I think Muslim extremist groups nowadays should be treated more like Neo-Nazis, Black Panthers, crazy Militas because thats what they are like. They are all aloud to speak there minds but the govt keeps tabs on them so they don't get violent on civis.

Yea I have a feeling Pakistan is going to go to war very soon...

This post has been edited by Simba: May 30 2010, 12:54 PM

[NOSHADYLADY4]

People that do these things are sick..sick in their deen. How many times have white people , black people, etc did things and went un-noticed. This guy, does he really think that being Muslim helps his cause???? Regardless of how bad a culture is, the crime of killing others is no justification for it. It only made him look dumb and stupid because the darn bomb did not do damage Thats like bringing a knife to a gun fight....what do you intend to do slice a bullet!!!???!! LOL He just made a big boo-boo and tried to hide in Pakistan and go unnoticed. That make ALL Muslims look bad not just Pak's.

BTW- Simba...The original Black Panthers(two friends included) were not more militant, nor crazy...they just became smarter than the laws the white people wrote and used it against them. They refused to stay ignorant of the laws that arrested them, the laws that kept them oppressed and the laws that were for whites only. The later panthers were ridiculous.

This post has been edited by NOSHADYLADY4: May 31 2010, 10:27 AM

[Simba]

People that do these things are sick..sick in their deen. How many times have white people , black people, etc did things and went un-noticed. This guy, does he really think that being Muslim helps his cause???? Regardless of how bad a culture is, the crime of killing others is no justification for it. It only made him look dumb and stupid because the darn bomb did not do damage Thats like bringing a knife to a gun fight....what do you intend to do slice a bullet!!!???!! LOL He just made a big boo-boo and tried to hide in Pakistan and go unnoticed. That make ALL Muslims look bad not just Pak's.

BTW- Simba...The original Black Panthers(two friends included) were not more militant, nor crazy...they just became smarter than the laws the white people wrote and used it against them. They refused to stay ignorant of the laws that arrested them, the laws that kept them oppressed and the laws that were for whites only. The later panthers were ridiculous.

Militancy isn't necessarily a bad thing. Technically I could put the founding fathers on that list too.

[NOSHADYLADY4]

LOL...You bet!!! And the list could go on....

[Matamoros]

You shouldn't worry about these false flags. These days you can't trust anyone, especially not the Media.

The use of the smear "Muslim" is a simple misdirection to rouse the pseudo-intellectual American middle class to support the government while we go whistling along into a 1984-style police state. 9/11 wasn't a Muslim terrorist attack. It was by the American government.

I think a good case of this is the military academy shooting a few months back. As soon as "the shooter" was identified he was linked to Islam.

These false flags and deliberate misdirecting smoke and mirrors tricks aren't really pulled by Muslims - Muslims just take the blame, and for whatever reason many idiotic Muslim leaders like "Osama bin Laden" (likely he is just a figure created by the Cryptocracy) take credit.

[Nazia1987]

You shouldn't worry about these false flags. These days you can't trust anyone, especially not the Media.

The use of the smear "Muslim" is a simple misdirection to rouse the pseudo-intellectual American middle class to support the government while we go whistling along into a 1984-style police state. 9/11 wasn't a Muslim terrorist attack. It was by the American government.

I think a good case of this is the military academy shooting a few months back. As soon as "the shooter" was identified he was linked to Islam.

These false flags and deliberate misdirecting smoke and mirrors tricks aren't really pulled by Muslims - Muslims just take the blame, and for whatever reason many idiotic Muslim leaders like "Osama bin Laden" (likely he is just a figure created by the Cryptocracy) take credit.

Of course... the media is a joke.... There was a recent video I saw by a Muslim speaker and he was addressing this... he was saying, of course these things are in media because media is for making money and giving the news people want to hear.... it's all sensationalized so of course if a white guy goes on a shooting spree and a Muslim goes on a shooting spree it is the Muslim who will make front page.... it's unfortunately how narrow minded people are

You can't say WHO carried out 9/11 honestly.... in my heart I believe it is like they say.... it's too plausable.... I don't understand why not. But I sure could be wrong, I won't say I am right because I don't have the proof.... But hey that's a different debate for a different time.

Like you bring up with the military guy, like you said, once he was identified as a Muslim that's all people focused on. Had he been white and Christian people wouldn't have cared as much.

But I still think we shuld denounce the violence done in the name of Islam that goes against Islam. Everybody in their own religion should denounce the wrongdoings done by members of their religion.... when I was Jewish I always spoke out against things Israel did!

This post has been edited by Nazia1987: Jun 3 2010, 10:43 PM

[Simba]

9/11 Conspiracies will probably be the one place i will always be at a disconnect with many Muslims. I honestly cannot believe that the American government would do that to it's own people, its illogical. There are way easier ways to start a war.

This post has been edited by Simba: Jun 4 2010, 02:04 AM

[ExMormon]

The American Government can't do that too it's own people?

All they have to do is kill a few of their own, and the rest of the nation is cheering at the destruction of another nation. It's in the Governments best interest TO DO such a thing.


There are plenty of ways to start a war, but having the nations people support it, is different.


I killed my Idiot Box awhile back. I refuse to watch the news.

I hated Muslims until I was around 15 or so. A fiery tower does alot to spark a childs, possible future soldiers, imagination.

[Haward]

everyone needs to be able to stand up and say... "hey we dont like this stop" or words to that effect, my belief is some groups dont do that.

example after 7/7 in the UK, the Muslim Council of Britian wouldnt condemn the attacks, thats why certain groups dont like muslims.

if everything white black, Christian Muslim atheist stood up after this and stood together as 1 nation or 1 world, these attacks would stop

[NOSHADYLADY4]

Most of the related bombings have been for attention, is my guess. What better way for the world to see Islam through the eyes of idiots, Astaghfirullah.

There are many people who do sincerely believe that the USA would cause a catastrophic event to gain attention as well, especially when the commander-in-cheif was so well hated and needed an image boost!

When things like this happen, I chalk them up to the Qadr of the USA, or other countries. These things are inevitable and will happen in any religion. If the world powers do not come together and be on one accord, there will be much more of this as the years roll on, Allahu Alim.

It is amazing how people can come together to support homosexuality and lesbianism(my personal thoughts) and remain stand-offish when it comes to world safety...hmmm amazing

[Simba]

ExMormon, they didn't kill a few. They killed 3000. And destroyed two of the most iconic buildings in the world.

All what you are saying is true. All you have to do is kill a few to create fear to fund a war. But 9/11 has no substantial evidence to assume that logic. Rumors are haram for a reason. Unless there is a legitimate evidence, it will remain a conspiracy.

And you forget, America isn't some dictatorship. The government is the people here. To attack itself in the form of the biggest attack on American soil in modern history? The government did not have an incentive big enough to take that risk. Not to mention, if that were going on, there would be way more evidence somewhere to support it because all you need is one sane person to blow the whole lid, and anyone even close to sane wouldn't do that to his own people. And you would need a lot, i mean A LOT, of people to pull of a intricate wiring and bombing of the WTC in a way that there is no evidence left.

Bush's approval rating was pretty normal pre 9/11.

Also, I think 9/11 Conspiracies forget the fact that there has been a huge Muslim World hatred for the US since the conception of Israel. From US intermingling of proxy wars during the Cold War to self interest oil grabs, Muslims have been given a lot of reasons to hate America.

People forget that there was a Muslim terrorist attack on the WTC in 93 too, and there was the USS Cole. It was not the first time there was a reaction. And since 911 there has been the shoe bomber, the liquid bombers, the underwear bomber, etc.

Most 9/11 Conspiracy theories have been proven wrong by science. Check out Popular mechanics on 911 conspiracy.

Until there is actual evidence, its all just what ifs.

[NOSHADYLADY4]

There will always be some radical Muslim doing something in the name of Islam, Astaghfirullah. But as Allah Ta'ala says in Qur'an:(Ironically)Sura 61:9-11 “Fain would they put out the light of God with their mouths! but though the Infidels hate it, God will perfect his light..."

The documentary"Small Changes" truly changed my mind as well as the very first news reports about America being responsible for 9/11.

And recent report since then(2010) people who were told to keep quiet, started talking, they are under threats of assasination, job firings, etc. Governor Ventura had a recent report and went behind the scenes to speak with a lot of people who remained anonymous out of fear.

Reports from the White House have been published and authenticated that Bush and Admin are responsible for not only 9/11(according to proven evidence) but for a war that did not have to take place. I am waiting on my official copy as we speak.

As a matter of fact, Bush and his administration had a very bad report card from 2000-2008 often the grade was a "D" and once an "F". it only came up because of 9/11 and when he was going OUT of office...wonder why???LOL! As one report stated:
"Republican manipulation of 9/11 blinded voters to the fact that Mr. Bush turned Bill Clinton’s surplus into a massive debt, gutted environmental regulations, enacted an unwieldy Medicare prescription bill, ducked national health insurance, weakened mine-safety regulations, reduced scientific research funding, ended trust-busting and widened American poverty."

I have no more doubts..as I learned a lot about our government and its "hidden" policies that many people do not know about. Those that research the constitution and the laws concerning the government would be very surprised at what they will find...my 2 cents worth...

[Matamoros]

Simba,

As a rather violently non-Muslim, I think that I can give you an opinion untainted by Muslim hatred for the USA.

Have you actually looked into the scientific evidence that contradicts the official report? There are to many inconsistencies for me to believe in the official story of 9/11.

Aside from the hard scientific evidence, I think that the choice of the the date 9/11 was very peculiar - it was almost to fitting, as if whoever "pulled" the event wanted to be sure that the Muslims could be blamed. Take these past Muslim related events that have occurred on 9/11:

Battle of Vienna 9/11-9/12/1683
1609 – Expulsion order announced against the Moriscos of Valencia; beginning of the expulsion of all Spain's Moriscos.
1697 – Battle of Zenta.
1970 – 88 of the hostages from the Dawson's Field hijackings are released. The remaining hostages, mostly Jews and Israeli citizens, are held until September 25.
1978 – U.S. President Jimmy Carter, President Anwar Sadat of Egypt, and Prime Minister Menachem Begin of Israel meet at Camp David and agree on the Camp David Accords a framework for peace between Israel and Egypt and a comprehensive peace in the Middle East.
1982 – The international forces that were guaranteeing the safety of Palestinian refugees following Israel's 1982 Invasion of Lebanon leave Beirut. Five days later, several thousand refugees are massacred in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps.
2005 – The State of Israel completes its unilateral disengagement from the Gaza Strip.

Proclaimed 9-1-1 Emergency Number Day by President Reagan on August 26 in 1987 and celebrated since then by some United States communities, particularly the local emergency services.

Death anniversary of Muhammad Ali Jinnah, founder of Pakistan.

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Aside from that, the government had plenty incentive to pull 9/11. Germany did that with the Reichstag Fire as well.

I think that the Gulf Oil Spill may have been pulled by the government as well, since their Global Warming programme has been exposed as a complete and laughable fraud, they need some new environmental disaster, one more visible and believable, to push forth their shadowy agendas (draconian environmental laws maybe? or maybe just a way to start depopulation without actually officially "depopulating" anyone).

[Matamoros]

ELEISON COMMENTS CXLII (April 3, 2010) : TRUTH, FAREWELL .


Another voice of truth risks falling silent in the United States. It is not, at least overtly, a voice of Catholic truth, but are not the great problems for truth today not problems specific to Catholics, but problems so basic that they are common to all men ? Therefore when a columnist and writer of the stature of Paul Craig Roberts, who has outstanding Establishment credentials and who was an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration, announces that, apparently out of discouragement, he is laying aside his pen, it is a sad day for all of us.


His farewell article of about ten days ago deals precisely with the universal loss of truth. Its opening section deserves to be quoted at length : "There was a time when the pen was mightier than the sword...when people believed in truth and regarded truth as an independent power and not as an auxiliary for government, class, race, ideological, personal or financial interest. Today Americans are ruled by propaganda. They have little regard for truth, little access to it, and little ability to recognize it" (my underlining). "Truth is an unwelcome entity. It is disturbing. It is off-limits. Those who speak it run the risk of being branded "anti-American", "anti-semite" or "conspiracy theorist". Truth is an inconvenience for government... and for ideologues."


He goes on, "Today many whose goal once was the discovery of truth are now paid handsomely to hide it." Examples from many domains prove that "wherever one looks, truth has fallen to money. Wherever money is insufficient to bury the truth, ignorance, propaganda and short memories finish the job." Further examples confirm that "Intelligence and integrity have been purchased by money... Americans, or most of them, have proved to be putty in the hands of the police state." They have been brainwashed by the mainstream media which "do not serve the truth. They serve the government and the interest groups that empower the government".


Fascinatingly, Roberts argues that "America's fate was sealed when the public and the anti-war movement bought the government's 9/11 conspiracy theory. The government's account of 9/11 is contradicted by much evidence. Nevertheless, that defining event of our time, which has launched the USA on interminable wars of aggression and a domestic police state, is a taboo topic for investigation in the media. It is pointless to complain of war and a police state when one accepts the premise on which they are based" (my underlining again). I would only add the religious dimension : how can souls grasp the one true religion of God when they accept the premises on which their whole godless environment is based ? In the early 2000's many Catholics in the USA did not want to hear sermons emphasizing the fraud of 9/11, but how can souls that are unconcerned to get to the truth, get anywhere near to the true God ? How can souls losing their taste for reality keep any taste for the supreme realities of the soul and the after-life ?


Roberts concludes sadly, "As the pen is censored and its might extinguished, I am signing off." No, dear Dr. Roberts. The pen is still, despite all appearances, mightier than the sword, only not if it is dropped. Keep writing, however few be the souls that will still read you for the sake of the truth, because such souls, like the Truth, "are mighty and will prevail".


Kyrie eleison.

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COMMENTAIRE ELEISON CXLII (3 avril, 2010) : LA VERITE S'ELOIGNE.

Encore une voix qui dit vrai est au bord du silence aux Etats-Unis. Ce n'est pas - au moins ouvertement - une voix de vérité catholique, mais les grands problèmes dont souffre aujourd'hui la vérité, ne sont-ils pas tellement fondamentaux qu'ils sont plutôt communs à tous les hommes que propres aux Catholiques ? Dès lors, quand un journaliste et écrivain du calibre de Paul Craig Roberts, bien connu et bien reçu parmi les gens qui gouvernent les Etats-Unis, et autrefois Secrétaire Assistant du Treasury dans l'administration du Président Reagan - quand un tel homme, apparemment découragé, dépose sa plume, nous avons tous de quoi nous attrister.

Son article d'adieu d'il y a une dizaine de jours traite précisément de cette perte universelle de la vérité. Son introduction mérite d'être citée en entier : « Il y eut un temps où la plume était plus forte que l'épée... où les gens croyaient en la vérité, en voyant en elle une puissance indépendante et non pas un soutien pour le gouvernement, la classe, la race ou les intérêts idéologiques, personnels ou financiers quelconques. Aujourd'hui au contraire, c'est la propagande qui gouverne les Américains. Ils ont peu de respect pour la vérité, peu d'accès à celle-ci, et peu de capacité de la reconnaître » (c'est moi qui souligne). « La vérité n'est pas la bienvenue. Elle perturbe. Elle est à mettre dehors. Ceux qui la soulèvent risquent de se voir taxé d' "anti-américanisme", d'"anti-sémitisme" ou de "conspirationnisme". La vérité dérange les gouvernements... et les idéologues. »

Le Dr Roberts continue, « Aujourd'hui beaucoup dont le but était de découvrir la vérité se font chichement payer pour la cacher. » Des exemples puisés dans plusieurs domaines prouvent que « de tous les côtés, la vérité s'est livrée à l'argent. Et là où l'argent ne suffit pas pour ensevelir la vérité, elle sera enterrée par l'ignorance, la propagande et les courtes mémoires. » D'autres exemples confirment que « L'intelligence et l'intégrité se sont fait acheter par l'argent... les Américains, ou le grand nombre d'entre eux, se sont montrés comme du mastic entre les mains de l'état policier. » Ils se sont fait laver le cerveau par les grands médias « qui ne se mettent pas au service de la vérité. Ils servent le gouvernement et ces groupes de pression qui gouvernent le gouvernement. »

Argument des plus fascinants du Docteur : « Le destin de l'Amérique s'est scellé au moment où l'opinion publique et le mouvement anti-guerre ont accepté l'explication de la conspiration de 9/11 que le gouvernement a fabriquée, explication contredite par un tas d'évidence. N'empêche, cet événement lequel, en lançant à l'intérieur des Etats Unis l'état policier et à l'extérieur des guerres interminables d'agression, a défini notre époque, est un sujet tabou, fermé à toute investigation par les médias. Pourtant à quoi sert-il de se plaindre de cet état policier ou de ces guerres dès qu'on accepte la prémisse qui leur sert de fondement ? » (c'est moi qui souligne de nouveau.)

J'ajouterais seulement la dimension religieuse : comment les âmes peuvent-elles saisir l'unique vraie religion de Dieu lorsqu'elles acceptent les prémisses qui servent de fondement à tout leur environnement sans Dieu ? Pendant les années 2000, beaucoup de Catholiques américains ne voulaient entendre aucun sermon sur la fraude de 9/11, mais c'est religieux quand même ! Comment les âmes qui se soucient peu d'une si énorme contre-vérité sauront-elles s'occuper du Dieu de Vérité ? Comment les âmes qui perdent le goût de la réalité peuvent-elles goûter encore les réalités suprêmes de l'âme immortelle et de la vie après la mort ?

La conclusion du Docteur nous attriste : « Puisque la plume est soumise à la censure et que sa force s'est éteinte, je la dépose. » Mais non, cher Docteur ! Malgré toutes les apparences, la plume est toujours plus forte que l'épée, à condition qu'on ne la laisse pas tomber. Maniez-la toujours, même si les âmes qui cherchent auprès d'elle la vérité seront peu nombreuses, parce que ces âmes-là, comme la Vérité elle-même, « sont grandes et elles prévaudront ».

Kyrie eleison.

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Eleison Kommentare CXLII. (3. April 2010) : WAHRHEIT, LEBEWOHL.



Eine weitere Stimme der Wahrheit droht in den Vereinigten Staaten von Amerika zu verstummen. Es ist zwar keine Stimme der katholischen Wahrheit - zumindest keine direkte -, aber sind nicht heute die großen Schwierigkeiten für die Wahrheit weniger spezifische Sorgen der Katholiken als vielmehr grundlegende Schwierigkeiten, die alle Menschen betreffen? Wenn daher ein Kolumnist und Schriftsteller vom Kaliber eines Paul Craig Roberts, der über hervorragende Verbindungen zur Führungsschicht verfügt und Ministerialdirektor des Finanzministeriums unter der Reagan-Regierung war, bekanntgibt, daß er - scheinbar aus Entmutigung - seine Feder weglegt, dann ist das ein trauriger Tag für uns alle.



Sein Abschiedsartikel vor etwa zehn Tagen behandelt genau den universellen Verlust der Wahrheit. Seine Einleitung verdient ausführlich zitiert zu werden: "Es gab eine Zeit, wo die Feder mächtiger als das Schwert war... wo die Menschen an die Wahrheit glaubten und die Wahrheit für eine unabhängige Macht hielten und nicht bloß für ein Hilfsmittel von Regierungs-, Klassen-, Rassen-, ideologischen, persönlichen oder finanziellen Interessen. Die US-Amerikaner werden heute von Propaganda beherrscht. Sie haben wenig Achtung von der Wahrheit, wenig Zugang zu ihr und kaum die Fähigkeit, sie zu erkennen" (Unterstreichung durch mich). "Die Wahrheit ist etwas unerwünschtes. Sie beunruhigt. Sie ist tabu. Jene, die sie ausdrücken, riskieren als "anti-amerikanisch", "anti-semitisch" oder als "Verschwörungstheoretiker" gebrandmarkt zu werden. Die Wahrheit ist eine Unannehmlichkeit für die Regierung... und für die Ideologen".



Roberts fährt fort: "Heute werden viele, deren Ziel einst die Entdeckung der Wahrheit war, ansehnlich bezahlt, um sie zu verbergen." Beispiele aus vielen Bereichen beweisen, daß, "wohin man auch schaut, die Wahrheit dem Geld zum Opfer gefallen ist. Und überall dort, wo Geld die Wahrheit nicht zu begraben vermag, machen ihr Unwissenheit, Propaganda und ein kurzes Gedächtnis den Garaus." Weitere Beispiele belegen, daß "Klugheit und Lauterkeit vom Geld bestochen worden sind... Die US-Amerikaner, oder jedenfalls die meisten von ihnen, haben sich als Wachs in den Händen des Polizeistaates gezeigt." Sie sind von den etablierten Medien einer Gehirnwäsche unterzogen worden. Diese Medien "dienen nicht der Wahrheit, sondern der Regierung und den Interessengruppen, welche ihre Macht der Regierung verleihen."



Faszinierenderweise argumentiert Roberts, daß "das Schicksal der USA besiegelt wurde, als die Öffentlichkeit und die Antikriegsbewegung die Verschwörungstheorie der Regierung über "9/11" - dem 11.9.2001 - geschluckt hat. Viele Beweise widersprechen dem Regierungsbericht über "9/11". Obwohl dieses prägende Ereignis unserer Zeit die USA in endlose Angriffskriege gezogen und im Inland einen Polizeistaat ermöglicht hat, ist das Thema für Untersuchungen in den Medien ein Tabu. Es kann niemand über Krieg und Polizeistaat klagen, wenn er die Voraussetzung, auf welcher beide fußen, akzeptiert" (Unterstreichung wieder durch mich).

Lediglich möchte ich die religiöse Dimension hinzufügen: Wie können die Seelen die einzig wahre Religion Gottes erfassen, wenn sie die Voraussetzungen akzeptieren, auf denen ihre ganze gottlose Umgebung fußt? Anfang der 2000er Jahre wollten viele US-Amerikaner keine Predigten hören, welche den "9/11"-Betrug hervorhoben; doch wie können Seelen, denen die Wahrheit gleichgültig ist, sich dem wahren Gott nähern? Wie können Seelen, welche ihren Sinn für die Wirklichkeit verlieren, noch einen Sinn für die höchsten Wirklichkeiten der Seele und des Lebens nach dem Tode behalten?



Roberts folgert traurig: "Weil die Feder zensiert und ihre Macht ausgelöscht wird, melde ich mich ab." Nein, lieber Dr. Roberts. Die Feder ist entgegen allem Anschein nach wie vor mächtiger als das Schwert - nur dann nicht, wenn sie fallengelassen wird. Fahren Sie mit dem Schreiben fort, so wenige Seelen Sie auch um der Wahrheit Willen noch lesen. Denn solche Seelen, so wie die Wahrheit selber, "sind mächtig und werden siegen",.


Kyrie eleison.

[ayesha.ansari]

Yes brother. Sui side is not allowed in Islam. Allah hate this thing. We should avoid this and make a stand against suicide bombers. I am sure they can't be Muslims who do suicide and kill their own brothers and sisters.

[NOSHADYLADY4]

Islams says that we must stand up to these people and not accept what they do in the name of Iskam. We are not to support those who kill themselves or innocent people..they are no less than murderers. Allah condemns this and so did the Prophet(SAW).