On The Jews And Their Lies Options

[Matamoros]

Ignore the translator's biased intro - this book is not "anti-Semitic".

http://www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres9/Luthereng.pdf

[Matamoros]

Reform Judaism is like Protestantism because both of them are false representations of Orthodox Judaism and Christianity (respectively).

There is violence in the Holy Bible. What of it?

This is exactly what happens when someone brings up Judaism - all of a sudden everyone goes mad and starts foaming at the mouth with accusations of hatred, racism, Nazism, ignorance.... where have I said anything in this thread to indicate any sort of hate for Jews?

What's this about respect? I never said that Jews are any less human (although many Orthodox and Reform Jews today are not even of Judaic descent). In fact, I think that's what the Jews say about Gentiles.

I really doubt that rabbis give talks about killing Gentiles in their sermons (or whatever they have). Just like I wouldn't expect a Mormon to preach about their own perverted fantasies in the pulpit.

If you want to switch the topic to Islam, then please start another thread. Islam's claims to Biblical provenance are so flimsy that Saint Alphonsus only dedicated a few paragraphs to refuting Mohammedanism in A History of Heresies and Their Refutations, which is more than 500 pages long.

[Nazia1987]

Reform Judaism is like Protestantism because both of them are false representations of Orthodox Judaism and Christianity (respectively).

Reform Judaism exists because many Jews believe it's time to adapt to changing times. No body is claiming in any way that it is the true representation of the religion.... a true orthodox Jew won't even switch on a light during Shabbes, let alone drive to the synagogue, yet on Friday evening, the parking lot of any reform temple is packed.... many women are wearing yarmulkes even! This shows that this is more about culture than anything else.... there is not a reform jew on the planet that claims that their version of JUdaism is the accurate one.... every one will tell you that they are living their life and adaptingn their religion to go with the modern day and age.... that's just what they believe, so what?

This is exactly what happens when someone brings up Judaism - all of a sudden everyone goes mad and starts foaming at the mouth with accusations of hatred, racism, Nazism, ignorance.... where have I said anything in this thread to indicate any sort of hate for Jews?

No dude.... I especially posted here because my mother is Jewish, and I am Jewish by blood and used to be Jewish by religion.... and what you are writing clearly shows you don't know what you are talking about and don't know any Jewish people.... my problems with this thread is the entire point of this thread which is trying to somehow prove that "Judaism is not the right religion". This is a stupid topic to debate, because religion is personal for each person. I can not prove to you that Islam is the right religion and catholosicm is wrong, and it would be just plain stupid for me to try and do that....

and more than that, a thread with a title like "On the Jews and their lies..." says quite a bit about your "agenda".

What's this about respect? I never said that Jews are any less human (although many Orthodox and Reform Jews today are not even of Judaic descent). In fact, I think that's what the Jews say about Gentiles.

I never claimed you said any of these! Like I said, the entire point of this forum topic is what shows you don't have respect for the beliefs of others. Whether it is Judaism or Hinduism or whatever else, if you really feel as though you can show another religion is wrong, it just honestly shows you are not very tolerant of others beliefs...

and by the way... just showing again how little you know... JEWS DON'T GO AROUND SAYING GENTILES ARE LESS HUMAN!! Where are you getting your information? Even if things like this are in holy books, what I'm saying is that you clearly don't interact with Jewish people on a personal level as this is not what Jews think... like I said Judaism is a religion which has mostly adapted for the changing times....

so what if Jews believe they are God's chosen people, this does not mean they think non-Jews are any "less human". That is just ridiculous!

I really doubt that rabbis give talks about killing Gentiles in their sermons (or whatever they have). Just like I wouldn't expect a Mormon to preach about their own perverted fantasies in the pulpit.

See, there you go again with your obvious intolerance and prejudice. Now Mormons have "perverted fantasies". Why? Because some sects of Mormonism practice plural marriage? So do many Muslims. And by the way, the Mormon church abolished plural marriage. My neighbors are Mormons, and one of my best friends as a child was a mormon. I had many Mormon friends growing up... none of them married their children off at 14 or had multiple wives...

If you want to switch the topic to Islam, then please start another thread. Islam's claims to Biblical provenance are so flimsy that Saint Alphonsus only dedicated a few paragraphs to refuting Mohammedanism in A History of Heresies and Their Refutations, which is more than 500 pages long.

Now all Muslims are wrong too....

so I'm assuming then, in your mind, even all Prodestants are liars and wrong and Catholicism is the only true way....

I'm glad you believe that if it is in your heart. You are a Catholic and you should believe that your religion is the right and true one. But you must understand you live in a world with billions of different people who believe differently. You can not prove to anybody that their religion is wrong. Religion is, in all honesty, not logical. Religion is not based on logic. To win an argument, to prove a theorem, you need to use logic. So all these debates on which religion is right, etc, is all ridiculous because like I said, it's not based on logic but belief. Somebody believes their religion because in their heart, it is right to them. They believe that is the one true religion. No amount of fighting on the other side is going to convince somebody away from that.... so you are essentially wasting your breath....

How will you feel when there are so many people who think that all priests are child molestors? What will you say to that? Will you think "they clearly have never known any catholics and are saying that because of all the stuff that's been on TV and whats been publisized". Anybody who would think this about Catholics is clearly disillusioned! My advice to you is to meet people of other religions and then come to realize how ridiculous your beliefs on non-Catholics really are....

This post has been edited by Nazia1987: Jun 3 2010, 10:25 PM