I Am Not Going To Talk To You.... Options

[h-n]

IF ANYONE DECIDES TO POST ANYTHING, I EXPECT THEM TO HAVE READ THIS THREAD IN FULL AS WELL AS THE OTHERS MENTIONED IN RED BELOW. I'm not always around, but I am confident that all relevant questions have been answered.

"Collapse of these countries"
"Major signs of the Day of Judgement"
"No more TVs, mobiles and computers etc"
"My intentions"
"Being exasperated"
"Cruel, unkind and not looking for the life of the next world"
"To the non-Muslims"
"Non-Muslims and Islam"
"Declining levels of putting up with evil"

How many more times do I need to explain myself?? Which I don't have a problem with doing, as I cannot believe I am the only person who feels the way that I do. I have used myself as an example to write "My intentions" thread, but the Islamic reasons are all there.

I am not going to talk to you...

1. Like if you have NEVER heard of the 2004 tsunami
2. Like if you have NEVER heard of the Bam Earthquake,
3. Like if you have NEVER heard of the New Orleans Hurricane Katrina,
4. Like if you have NEVER heard of the flooding in Pakistan at present, which I will add in addition,
5. Like if you have NEVER heard of the so called "War on Terror".

6. I am not going to you as I would do with children.
7. You say you are Muslims, servants of Allah, that are willing to die in the name of Allah, well I am not going to talk to you like if you are a sissy etc. If I thought that you couldn't handle it, then I certainly would not have bothered coming.

How to talk to someone

When people are quoting how people should talk, they are always referring to people in the context of not receiving anything, or never have been warned. Well that is why I wrote "Sinners getting destroyed and a good job too!" thread, to let Muslims know that we are not starting from the beginning. Which did a good job to actually show the people who were being critical, were vastly underestimating what Allah has provided. Also they were uncomfortable as they were thinking about there lives in these countries.

When people are quoting how the Prophets were, they are again telling me to talk to people, like if we are starting to warn them etc. Anyhow, I have come on a Muslim website to talk to Muslims, I am not actively or want to have a go at non-Muslims, I am being tolerant towards them but that does not mean that I am going to fail to mention that they are wrong, when I am talking about what Islam says about non-Muslims.

Tell me how someone will be talking to you when the Dajjal is here, and then tell me I am wrong. Tell me how someone is going to be talking when the countries have finished collapsing and then tell me I am wrong.

Time

Please read "My intentions" thread

You have whether you like it or not, or even squandered the time or not, you have had;-

2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002, 2002, 2000, 1999, 1998 etc

So how can a person if heeding the signs of the Day of Judgement talk to you like if you have more time to repent and learn?? Hence why my threads are to the point and direct.

If you have not done, learnt what you have supposed to learn in that time, and I am in my threads summarising, you cannot blame me if my threads come out too much, my threads are not rude, I consider every sentance relevant they are to the point.

Also my replies to people's post if they are derailing threads, are the ones that people complain about, I frankly do not care for people, when I am writing threads to seriously help people in the future and from the fires of Hell for them to be derailed by others. If anyone looks and the proof is all there, no one has actually refuted the points on post 1.

They are not doing an Islamic thing, by having good things derailed to personal attacks.

Day of Judgement.

1. Allah is not going to tell me that a person not heeding the signs of the Day of Judgement is a kind person,

2. People do have the habit at just looking at that person, instead of the environment around them too, well I take that in context when I am talking to that person, so if someone has not repented, I am not going to treat them like if they are innocent, etc, and neither is Allah on the Day of Judgement for not heeding the signs if they have not repented.

3, I can see as above, not many people take in context the environment that a person lives in, which is what I do, and even Allah himself does not exempt the signs from the records, the 2004 tsunami for example is written as a warning for everyone who witnessed, heard it and it is written on mine. It will be held against me on the Day of Judgement if I have not repented.

Myself

1. I have always heeded the signs of the Day of Judgement, and even starting my jobs, I have always said for time being that I will be working. I always thought that other Muslims were doing the same, and now I realise that is not the case. I have been looking towards the Day of Judgement even before Sep 11, so I am not biased to events today see "Not our Goal" thread.

2. My only 100% goal was to help the other Muslims in being strong, steadfast in Islam to help them go through the Major signs of the Day of Judgement and of course from the fires of Hell.

3. Yes, people should just accept that there are going to be Muslims who do talk about heeding the signs of the Day of Judgement.

Some not good responses.

There was actually no Islamic reason for them to have an issue with me, they could not find fault with my threads. Some of the responses was which was I see as a good thing which shows to other Muslims not to follow in their route;-

1. People were saying who do you think you are to tell us. This is bad, as if they read the Quran, they will see this is what people used to say back at the Prophets. Why were they arguing about the Prophets telling them what they need to know and forbidding evil and enjoining good??? Why did they not do it themselves?? Why bother arguing? Instead of telling me to stop writing, why don't they themselves carry on reminding people of the Day of Judgement and to heed the signs and to forbid evil and enjoin good. Of course I am no Prophet etc, but we are all in the position to remind each other about the Day of Judgement, which I have mentioned in "Collapse of these countries".


2. It is a sad state of affairs that when talking about heeding the signs, it is strange to some Muslims, and people are less likely to talk about it. Again, if you tell me to go away, then you should be talking about heeding the signs instead, you cannot substitute talking about heeding the signs to talking about living in this world.

3. I do know that not everyone wants talk about heeding the signs etc, but I have created my own thread, people can choose to read them or not, I don't see them going to other people's threads and telling that person to stop talking about gardening, photography etc. I am not the one who is harassing and following people, I have kept things within my own threads. You don't need to go into my threads and tell me to stop talking about heeding the signs. They say that I only make such and such threads, but they ignore the other threads ie;-

-Allah (answers to can he die, have children and who created him)
-Devils
-Terrorists and why they are completely wrong,
-Wrong to attack non-Muslims,
-Non-Muslims and Islam (explains test),
-My intentions,
-Murder,
-Not our Goal,
-Marriage is NOT a charity
-Marriages not being approved,
-Show me, show me (but we're humans)
-Evil Society,
-Miracles (you want one but..)
-Being alive at the time of Prophet Jesus peace be upon him,
-Satan refusing to prostrate (my test and your test)
-Going to Hell,
-Can you repeat, repeat yourself?
-No TVs, mobiles and computers

Using one situation for another

Use the below that I posted to someone before.

1. Also no one has actually refuted the threads,

2. If you have a clear look, when people are disagreeing, they are not disagreeing with the subject, but how they want to live their lives and be in this world ie;-

-- most popular is that they talk about living and teaching people about Islam, I am talking about the countries collapsing and where people will NOT be focused on doing Dawah to non-Musilms.

SEE?? So the above the disagreements have actually been about other people trying to change one situation for the other. Even the-

-"Sinners being destroyed and a good job too!, all the replies were NOT refuting any of the points on post 1. People don't want to think about things coming to an end, as they are uncomfortable with it, and it affects their long term living, Yes, they know that there is a Day of Judgement, but they haven't clearly seriously incorporated that things as we see today will be over. So they were talking about living in this world in the context of telling the non-Muslims about Islam and things are coming to an end.

--two people can be both right as one is saying I can pour water in a bucket, and another says I am right because I can pour water in a bottle. So they both proven that they can hold water into something.

-BUT others are WRONG in MY THREADS, AS THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING COMPELTELY DIFFERENT!! Again, they have nor refuted my threads, they are changing the subject to living in this world in the contexts of what they see around them. I have spent a lot of time replying to people's posts, and I certainly as above know what I am replying too. They have NOT refuted the threads. They are talking about being right in one situation, but they are wrong in what I am talking about and the PROOF is there for everyone to see their posts.

I hope that you see the above, if you do not and continue to think that I have been wrong on what I am talking about, then leave it, you go your way, I'll go mine. I certainly don't think anymore needs to be said as the proof is there.


You are only right if

If the countries are not finishing right now. Which you are not, as with everything else I know and understand, I am 100% right, it is as stated on "No mobiles, TVs, and computers" etc, I am more then happy to accept if Allah is going to give more time, but he has only ever taught us that people who don't repent will be destroyed. There is not 1% of me that believes otherwise.

So say that 100% that you are going to talk the same way that you are now, when;-

-the countries have finished collapsing,
-when you are going through this calamity with no banks etc
-when the Dajjal is here.

I don't think people are used to meeting people who seriously do heed the signs of the Day of Judgement. They keep on trying to tell me to change how I talk, but they don't see which I only expect from non-Muslims that this is personal to me.


The Day of Judgement is mentioned so many times in the Quran, I've actually learnt so much because I remembered the Day of Judgement.

I am responding to the signs of the Day of Judgement, and when things collapse, you won't be critical of people being like me. Its best to remain strong, steadfast in Islam, also to provide other people confidence when going through the Major signs of the Day of Judgement as its going to be so tough. There is reference that the Mahdi will be focused on Muslims too, and so am I. So there is no need to quote how people talk to people when telling them to repent, as that is futile, I am talking to Muslims, and I would not have written what I have done if I thought you could not handle it. No one is going to carry you, hold your hand when the Dajjal is here.

I will leave it till the Day of Judgement, were I know that how I am is actually acceptable, people have refused to acknowledge that I my points, they have always used one situation as I mentioned before to try and be right about another. My loyalty is to Allah, not going to compromise in case I upset some people.

I pray that people be strong and steadfast in Islam to go through the Major signs of the Day of Judgement and from the fires of Hell. I pray to Allah that people who have done well in reading and Islamicaly behaving as one should be, to Allah increase them with knowledge (as this is clearly what they are after and not to make it personal attacks), that I have every confidence that they will do well, and even learn what I haven't even done so, I only ask them not be led by others no matter the dire circumstances in this world, no matter if you are going through a drought, stand back remember Allah and the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell. Do not be pushed into anything.

Remember Allah and the Day of Judgement much.

This post has been edited by h-n: Nov 4 2010, 06:43 PM

[Nazia1987]

IF ANYONE DECIDES TO POST ANYTHING, I EXPECT THEM TO HAVE READ THIS THREAD IN FULL AS WELL AS THE OTHERS MENTIONED IN RED BELOW. I'm not always around, but I am confident that all relevant questions have been answered.

Ya because it's your forum right? So now its your rules? Anybody can respond to any thread they'd like. I can respond to every thread and write "toothbrush" if I so please. If anything, there should be a limit on the number of posts a person can make in a single subforum in a specified amount of time because you are currently overloading and monopolizing the forum with the same 2 or 3 angry messages over and over again. The only thing different between what you say is the color variety in your posts.

You are nuts buddy!

[Lacellardoor]

h-n

I have to agree with Nazia1987 to a degree.

Seriously, what's your deal? Does every single thought you have on a whim warrant a thread? Really? Especially considering half of what you say is personal opinion and baseless, incoherent non-sense.

Random (abuse) of CAPITALIZATION doesn't make you an authority on anything, nor does blatant mockery help your cause.

You claim to be helping yeah? But to be honest you're just coming off as irritating more than anything. It's very hard to take someone seriously who appears to be merely poking fun.

Anyway, I suppose I'm being a little harsh. I do truly hope your intentions are pure, and all this is an unfortunate case of miscommunication. May Allah (SWT) reward for your efforts, nonetheless, and forgives us all for our errors.

[h-n]

IF ANYONE DECIDES TO POST ANYTHING, I EXPECT THEM TO HAVE READ THIS THREAD IN FULL AS WELL AS THE OTHERS MENTIONED IN RED BELOW. I'm not always around, but I am confident that all relevant questions have been answered.

Ya because it's your forum right? So now its your rules? Anybody can respond to any thread they'd like. I can respond to every thread and write "toothbrush" if I so please. If anything, there should be a limit on the number of posts a person can make in a single subforum in a specified amount of time because you are currently overloading and monopolizing the forum with the same 2 or 3 angry messages over and over again. The only thing different between what you say is the color variety in your posts.

You are nuts buddy!

Your just showing to everyone, what a time waster you are!

1. I have posted my threads in July this year, and only now you comment only by reading the title rather then the content. What have you been doing all this time?? Why are you wasting your time making any ridiculous comments instead of learning about Islam. Your not willing to read past the title of the thread-what is this facebook or something?? This is a Muslim website, its is not befitting for a Muslim to act like a non-Muslim and post pathetically saying they can do what they like. Anyone can see that you have been told, on a number of occasions and your only showing characteristics of a bad person, saying you can go into any thread and post "toothbrush". Why are you not letting Muslims here the time to read the threads and actually talk about Islam, rather then carry on from your stupid comments?? Only evil people have a problem with people speaking of Islam.

2. You say the only difference between me and you is the colour used -well WRONG, when you clearly have mentioned;-

- you called a Muslim the same as an idol worshipper-NO EXCUSES, NOTHING, ask another Muslim learned in Islam and they will tell you cannot say this. Go and look at the history of other Muslims, and what would you be calling them the same as idol worshippers? A Muslim is willing to die in the name of Islam, what do you think we are? Weak?? How on earth can you call yourselves servants of Allah if you are willing to say that a Muslim can be seen the same as an idol worshipper.

- you say that a Christian inviting people to the fire has a good heart,

-you say that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him married an evil woman,

-you clearly did not think that people who followed the Prophets before Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him arrived, who worshipped the one God, the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell.

-you say that non-Muslims are good, when no Prophet, no angel, and not even Allah states that, even Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him's uncle went to Hell.

You have already been proven wrong, but instead of reading the threads, you are quick to make any ridiculous comments.

3. You say that I write out angry messages, and ridiculously not even read this thread, where I have mentioned that why are people avoiding the fact that I have written other threads, are you going to accuse them of angry messages (when none of my threads are, even Allah does not like idol worshippers, are you going to call the Quran an angry message?). Are you saying that the following threads are not good too;-

-Allah
-Murder,
-Not our Goal
-Show me, show me (but we're humans)
-Can you repeat, repeat yourself?
-Non-Muslims and Islam
-Being alive at the time of Prophet Jesus peace be upon him,
-Prophet Ibrahim peace be upon him worshipping Allah,
-Terrorists, why they are so wrong
-Wrong to attack non-Muslims
-Marriages not being approved
-Marriage is NOT a charity etc

You say I shouldn't post-what are you posting that is talking about Islam???? If you tell me to go away then fine, go and write and talk about Islam yourself, why are you wasting the time of others??


4. I don't see others going to other people's threads, saying they cannot write this and this, just shows the level of people that they are willing to attack a person actually talking about what Islam says. If someone has a thread about hobbies etc, no one will go in and tell them to stop talking about it.

5. The Moderators are not responsible for responding to my threads on my behalf, I am, when I am around-so I am rightly asking people NOT to ask repetitive questions,, which I know that I have already answered. I have every right to ask people to not to post until they read such and such. Obviously something that you don't like as you don't spend much time reading but are quick to post! I am responsible for my thread contents, I take responsibilty for them, something that you don't understand as you are waste other people's time. You cannot derail threads. I will ask the Moderators to delete your time wasting posts in future. Anyone can post thier threads, I have already asked you to create your own thread, instead of wasting time on mine! I am not taking over the forum, as I expect others to post and my threads move down the list anyway!

This post has been edited by h-n: Nov 4 2010, 10:09 PM

[h-n]

h-n

I have to agree with Nazia1987 to a degree.

Seriously, what's your deal? Does every single thought you have on a whim warrant a thread? Really? Especially considering half of what you say is personal opinion and baseless, incoherent non-sense.

Random (abuse) of CAPITALIZATION doesn't make you an authority on anything, nor does blatant mockery help your cause.

You claim to be helping yeah? But to be honest you're just coming off as irritating more than anything. It's very hard to take someone seriously who appears to be merely poking fun.

Anyway, I suppose I'm being a little harsh. I do truly hope your intentions are pure, and all this is an unfortunate case of miscommunication. May Allah (SWT) reward for your efforts, nonetheless, and forgives us all for our errors.

If you say that what I write is baseless in Islam, then go ahead and refute them-don't just say it, they are personal, baseless, incoherent, nonsense-so what are you saying that Islam is nonsense? The understanding is as per the Quran-is the Quran nonsense? No. So then I expect you to refute the threads ie;-

1. Allah
2. Collapse of these countries,
3. Major signs of the Day of Judgement
4. Satan refusing to prostrate,
5. Show me, show me (but we're humans)
6. Can you repeat, repeat yourself?
7. Prophet Ibrahim peace be upon him worshipping Allah
8. No such thing as Atheism
9. Why Prophet Jesus peace be upon him does NOT love the Christians,
10. Love, love say the Christians (but I say that they are liars)
11. Not our Goal
12. Wrong to attack non-Muslims,
13. Terrorists, why they are completely wrong,
14. Going to Hell
15. You are evil (which no one has Islamically refuted)
16. Islam has copied (say the Christian and the Jews)
17. Murder,
18. Devils etc.

I doubt that you've even read the threads! But are willing to call them nonsense! Of course different subjects, require different threads.

I have to use capital letters and colours, obviously people need that when they are not reading.

By the way, I already told Nazia1987 that if she did not accept what i had to say, she can check with any Muslim learned in Islam. She rather spend time being critical of a person talking about Islam then spending time learning about it.

Its obvious people haven't spent much time reading, and they have a problem with threads that they haven't be bothered to read? Again only bad people have problems with people talking about Islam-I don't see anybody going to be critical of anyone else talking about what they want.

By the way, also read the response I have provided to Nazia1987, instead of choosing to side with a time waster, I don't need anyone on my side, as the truth of what a person writes stands out.

This post has been edited by h-n: Nov 4 2010, 10:25 PM

[Nazia1987]

fd

2. You say the only difference between me and you is the colour used -well WRONG, when you clearly have mentioned;-

- you called a Muslim the same as an idol worshipper-NO EXCUSES, NOTHING, ask another Muslim learned in Islam and they will tell you cannot say this. Go and look at the history of other Muslims, and what would you be calling them the same as idol worshippers? A Muslim is willing to die in the name of Islam, what do you think we are? Weak?? How on earth can you call yourselves servants of Allah if you are willing to say that a Muslim can be seen the same as an idol worshipper.

- you say that a Christian inviting people to the fire has a good heart,

-you say that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him married an evil woman,

-you clearly did not think that people who followed the Prophets before Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him arrived, who worshipped the one God, the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell.

-you say that non-Muslims are good, when no Prophet, no angel, and not even Allah states that, even Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him's uncle went to Hell.

You have already been proven wrong, but instead of reading the threads, you are quick to make any ridiculous comments.

Actually, I said the only difference between your individual posts was the color of the text. Don't think I would be comparing myself to you... Come on, I have more respect for myself than that!

But I'll give you one thing after reading that ridiculous response you just wrote, damn my friend you have some serious talent in the art of spinning quotes from others and extrapolating completely baseless information!! I'm shocked it wasn't somehow written in there that I claimed to be a 400 lb devil worshiping astronaut, with the quotes to back it up! I don't say this lightly yours is an incredible talent I"m witnessing. It's like I've got a a regular Fox News reporter here or something. Glenn Beck, is that you?

I have posted my threads in July this year, and only now you comment only by reading the title rather then the content. What have you been doing all this time??

Rrrm... I read your posts back in July as well, and considered your posts to be just as idiotic, but never felt the need to respond until you began making a tirade of hate filled, angry, repetitive, and jobless threads throughout the forum! (Besides now I have to admit I'm getting some cheap humor from your responses...) Actually, to be entirely honest, what has made me really respond to your crap, stems from the fact that I posted a well thought out and polite critisim of your laughable "unintelligent sayings to discredit Islam" in order to keep such faulty and ridiculous arguments from being used... (I don't even claim now that your points werent good, just that the arguments behind them were utterly stupid) and instead of reading and just either responding or taking somebody elses opinion you actually began to berate and yell at me and claim I am pretty much not a MUslim simply because I pointed out the unlimited faulty logic you were using in that thread...

By the way, also read the response I have provided to Nazia1987, instead of choosing to side with a time waster, I don't need anyone on my side, as the truth of what a person writes stands out.

You might want to execute some unbiased judgements here my friend... I sure have responded to your posts, but I do believe it is you who has made about 50 multi page threads of h-n jargon... who has wasted the time?

can see that you have been told, on a number of occasions and your only showing characteristics of a bad person, saying you can go into any thread and post "toothbrush".

Note to self: ask Imam on Friday weather responding to threads randomly with the word "toothbrush" is haram

This post has been edited by Nazia1987: Nov 4 2010, 10:58 PM

[h-n]

fd

2. You say the only difference between me and you is the colour used -well WRONG, when you clearly have mentioned;-

- you called a Muslim the same as an idol worshipper-NO EXCUSES, NOTHING, ask another Muslim learned in Islam and they will tell you cannot say this. Go and look at the history of other Muslims, and what would you be calling them the same as idol worshippers? A Muslim is willing to die in the name of Islam, what do you think we are? Weak?? How on earth can you call yourselves servants of Allah if you are willing to say that a Muslim can be seen the same as an idol worshipper.

- you say that a Christian inviting people to the fire has a good heart,

-you say that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him married an evil woman,

-you clearly did not think that people who followed the Prophets before Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him arrived, who worshipped the one God, the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell.

-you say that non-Muslims are good, when no Prophet, no angel, and not even Allah states that, even Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him's uncle went to Hell.

You have already been proven wrong, but instead of reading the threads, you are quick to make any ridiculous comments.

Actually, I said the only difference between your individual posts was the color of the text. Don't think I would be comparing myself to you... Come on, I have more respect for myself than that!

But I'll give you one thing after reading that ridiculous response you just wrote, damn my friend you have some serious talent in the art of spinning quotes from others and extrapolating completely baseless information... I'm shocked it wasn't somehow written in there that I claimed to be a 400 lb devil worshiping astronaut, with the quotes to back it up! I don't say this lightly yours is an incredible talent I"m witnessing. It's like I've got a a regular Fox News reporter here or something. Glenn Beck, is that you?

And by the way, I have been well aware of your remarks back in the early summer and have always considered your posts to be baseless and idiotic, but never felt the need to respond until you began making a tyrade of hate filled, angry, repetitive, and jobless threads throughout the forum!

By the way, also read the response I have provided to Nazia1987, instead of choosing to side with a time waster, I don't need anyone on my side, as the truth of what a person writes stands out.

You might want to execute some unbiased judgements here my friend... I sure have responded to your posts, but I do believe it is you who has made about 50 multi page threads of h-n jargon... who has wasted the time?

can see that you have been told, on a number of occasions and your only showing characteristics of a bad person, saying you can go into any thread and post "toothbrush". Why are you not letting Muslims here the time to read the threads and actually talk about Islam, rather then carry on from your stupid comments??

Note to self: ask Imam on Friday weather responding to threads randomly with the word "toothbrush" is haram

Of course I am not like you, if I was I could never have written all my threads, I'll just be spending time making any frivolous comments like you.

No you are disputing your own words???

On the "You are evil" thread your posts;-

post 13

There are people like Gandhi and Mother Theresa in the world. People who are far more loving and tolerant than you.

You call non-Muslims good, if they are so good then why are they not worshipping Allah? Allah, neither did any Prophets call people who did not worship the one God remember the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell good.　

Post 18

how did I know that h-n and St. Peter would be a match made in heaven

So here you are saying that a Muslim and an idol worshipper are perfect to get married too!

Post 19

if you believe every non-Muslim is a horrible evil doer, how on earth can you possibly stand to live in the UK surrounded by so many evil people? Doesn't the Qur'an forbid associating yourself with such evilness?

This is actually something that confuses the crap out of me. for those who are so convinced every non-Muslim is so evil and yet live life in the west. Don't you find you yourself to be the biggest hypocrite in that case? I mean honestly if you are so much on your tyrade, why not move away to a little village in an Islamic country where you are entirely surrounded by other Muslims who think and feel just like you and you can just sit around spreading the hate all day long? I'm not being facecious , I'm being really really honest. I just find it so damn hypocritical.

Here you are saying that a non-Muslim is a good person, you call me going against the Quran, when no matter were I am in this world we are surrounded by evil people, so was Prophet Lut peace be upon him etc.

You use the word "crap" which people refer to excrements. Why talk as a non-Muslim. Also showing that ignoring all the relevant points that there won't be any countries they are all finishing and we are heading towards the Major signs of the Day of Judgement. you call it hypocritical to be in the UK-why then find out on the Day of Judgement what I have been doing in the UK, at least i spent time in Islam and not acting as a non-Muslim. But I will be leaving forever.　

Post 21

h-n & St. Peter - two peas in a pod!

here you are saying that a Muslim and an idol worshipper are exactly the same-no excuses-it is WRONG to say that.


Post 25

Ya you can extrapolate a lot of stuff from the Qur'an. Same way that people against Islam say we are commanded to kill non-Muslims. It's in the Qur'an isnt it? Do you deny that? Regardless of historical context it's there. So is it also that we should take literally that every single non-Muslim is evil? Or perhaps things should be taken into context?


Now you are claiming that its in the Quran isn't it that we are commanded to kill non-Muslims when we only fight we someone attacks us. Don't bother making any comments, WITHOUT ISLAMICALLY SAYING I AM WRONG AND SHOWING IT TOO!

Post 27

again can you respond to how the Prophet supposedly married an evil woman according to your logic?

Here you accuse the Prophet of marrying an evil women.

Post 38

by application of h-n axiom #1 by transitivity:
Prophet married an evil woman
However, by axiom#2, the Prophet can not marry an evil woman
thus, by contradiction, we have shown that something is effing off with this logic
QED


Still not getting it that the Prophet did not marry and evil women, you posted this rather then reading ie Islam has copied (say the Christian and the Jews), Collapse of these countries thread etc, which covers test.

Post 40

Why are Muslim men allowed to marry Christians and Jews? It does not say, you can only marry Christians and Jews who will eventually convert. The QUr'an says men are allowed to marry Christians and Jews. Explain? Allah allows men to marry evil people? EDIT: if they accept Qur'an and the message of the Prophet, clearly they are not Christians or Jews anymore. Yet still men are allowed to marry them. Anrd even more than that, if every non-Muslim is so terrible and evil, why do you continue to live around non-Muslims every day? Work with them? See them on the street? Talk to them? KNow them? Why of all places do you want to live in the west? That's one question you have never answered.

Still couldn't be bothered to read, just quoting the same jargon.

Um... nor have they ever. They are Jews. There was never a time in Jewish history when JEws accepted JEsus and the Prophet Mohammed. I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up and pointing out how because of this you assume Jews are these super evil people, more so than in the PRophet's time.

Here you say they have never accepted Islam.

I am happy that I spent more time learning about Islam, and remembering the Day of Judgement.

Also you say that my threads are baseless and idiotic then say what is islamically wrong with them?? Again go and refute the threads that I mentioned to you ie;-

1. Allah
2. Not our Goal
3. Show me, show me (but we're humans)
4. Collapse of these countries
5. Major signs of the Day of Judgement
6. Murder etc

You say you answered on Unintelligent sayings thread-well I don't always log in -so I'll have a look now! Which when your talking as a non-Muslim you have nothing to say!


You say you go to mosque regularly, then go and show them your comments, you have said nothing worth saying. Just pathetic, you couldn't even read past the title of the thread.

As stated before, if you showed what you have written to any person learned in Islam, they can see how pathetic you are being, it is one thing for a person not knowing about islam, but another for them not to learn and to post ridiculous comments befitting of sinful people.


This post has been edited by h-n: Nov 4 2010, 11:29 PM

[h-n]

Actions of Nazia1987;-


1. When someone gets something wrong, they can feel embarrassed take it the wrong way, and they don't want to admit they were wrong in what they do, so they do the same thing over and over again. This is what Nazia1987 is doing;-

When she has been corrected, she still posts again-now how many people would do that??? If you can see that you have been wrong on such and such then you would want to go away and learn before posting anymore. Again the focus for Nazia1987 is to justify her previous posts so not to look bad. I am not here for attention, for if I was, I would be here as an active member, I posted my threads and leave it for people to choose to read them or not (not to have them being critical when they cannot find anything Islamcally wrong with them).

Its got nothing to do with learning about Islam because if it was -she would have read the threads instead of just the title! Or gone away and spent time reading on Islam elsewhere-I have even said to her, if you don't want to accept what I have to say, then of course she is free to ask anyone.

2.How many times I have replied and she still refused to read the threads-how many people have you met, who would just post and post and post (I have created relevant threads)-again her objective was not to learn about Islam-so anyone can see that the focus for her was to be critical of me. Again if she did not want to learn about Islam she could have done it elsewhere, she tells me also she has been going to a mosque-and obviously not learning what she should have done.

3. I will mention this, and its up to people to see if it fits. Even people who bully others try and make people look bad, when they have said nothing Islamically wrong, there are bullies online who;-

A. displays a compulsive need to criticise whilst simultaneously refusing to acknowledge anything else,

B. undermines and destroys anyone who the bully perceives to be an adversary, a potential threat, or who can see through the bully's mask
C. is also quick to belittle, undermine, denigrate and discredit anyone who calls, attempts to call, or might call the bully to account

D gains gratification from denying people what they are entitled to (why has she got a problem with me posting more threads).

E. poisons peoples' minds by manipulating their perceptions

F is constantly imposing on others a false reality made up of distortion

G and fabrication uses excessive charm and is always plausible and convincing when peers, superiors or others are present (charm can be used to deceive as well as to cover for lack of empathy)

Just because I don't fit in on this forum doesn't mean that its acceptable to use this to think its OK that your able to go against me, as I am not Islamically wrong!

I am happy for people to do well and be the best they can be. I am sharing the best that I have to offer-which is from Allah, as per from the Quran. I am direct and formal and to the point, I am not a time waster, we don't know when we're going to die, so why waste the only time for people to repent? I will not.

This post has been edited by h-n: Nov 5 2010, 01:53 AM

[Nazia1987]

toothbrush

[h-n]

toothbrush

[Lacellardoor]

If you say that what I write is baseless in Islam, then go ahead and refute them-don't just say it, they are personal, baseless, incoherent, nonsense-so what are you saying that Islam is nonsense? The understanding is as per the Quran-is the Quran nonsense? No.

My comment wasn't that hard to understand, surely?

"Especially considering half of what you say is personal opinion and baseless, incoherent non-sense."

Operative word there being half-- it's used as a figure of speech that quantifies how some of what you say (said) is personal opinion, baseless so on. Subject matter isn't what I was getting at- it's how you contort a perfectly understandable and legit Islamic standpoint for your own miserable ends.

I doubt that you've even read the threads! But are willing to call them nonsense!

Rest assured, of the threads I've read- I applaud anyone who has actually read them all for most illustrate a violent case of verbiage more than anything- it is extremely hard to distinguish fact from utter nonsense.

By the way, I already told Nazia1987 that if she did not accept what i had to say, she can check with any Muslim learned in Islam. She rather spend time being critical of a person talking about Islam then spending time learning about it.

I think you should take some of your own medicine here. Perhaps you should check with a learned Muslim, or in fact a layman, because anyone with a foothold on reality will be quick to see some un-Islamic and disturbing implications in your threads. This is, by the way, a general trend. Here is just one such example:

Again only bad people have problems with people talking about Islam-I don't see anybody going to be critical of anyone else talking about what they want.

:|. Did you even stop to think about what you wrote here?

By the way, also read the response I have provided to Nazia1987, instead of choosing to side with a time waster, I don't need anyone on my side, as the truth of what a person writes stands out.

My post was posted at "Yesterday, 09:54 PM".

Your reply to Nazia1987 at "Yesterday, 10:05 PM". I'm sorry your reply to Nazia1987 didn't exactly exist when I replied- my bad :|

Anyway this is getting tired.

Do what you want. Honest. Don't let anyone stand in your way, but perhaps you should put a little more thought into what you write- for your own benefit.

Peace.

[h-n]

If you say that what I write is baseless in Islam, then go ahead and refute them-don't just say it, they are personal, baseless, incoherent, nonsense-so what are you saying that Islam is nonsense? The understanding is as per the Quran-is the Quran nonsense? No.

My comment wasn't that hard to understand, surely?

"Especially considering half of what you say is personal opinion and baseless, incoherent non-sense."

Operative word there being half-- it's used as a figure of speech that quantifies how some of what you say (said) is personal opinion, baseless so on. Subject matter isn't what I was getting at- it's how you contort a perfectly understandable and legit Islamic standpoint for your own miserable ends.

I doubt that you've even read the threads! But are willing to call them nonsense!

Rest assured, of the threads I've read- I applaud anyone who has actually read them all for most illustrate a violent case of verbiage more than anything- it is extremely hard to distinguish fact from utter nonsense.

By the way, I already told Nazia1987 that if she did not accept what i had to say, she can check with any Muslim learned in Islam. She rather spend time being critical of a person talking about Islam then spending time learning about it.

I think you should take some of your own medicine here. Perhaps you should check with a learned Muslim, or in fact a layman, because anyone with a foothold on reality will be quick to see some un-Islamic and disturbing implications in your threads. This is, by the way, a general trend. Here is just one such example:

Again only bad people have problems with people talking about Islam-I don't see anybody going to be critical of anyone else talking about what they want.

:|. Did you even stop to think about what you wrote here?

By the way, also read the response I have provided to Nazia1987, instead of choosing to side with a time waster, I don't need anyone on my side, as the truth of what a person writes stands out.

My post was posted at "Yesterday, 09:54 PM".

Your reply to Nazia1987 at "Yesterday, 10:05 PM". I'm sorry your reply to Nazia1987 didn't exactly exist when I replied- my bad :|

Anyway this is getting tired.

Do what you want. Honest. Don't let anyone stand in your way, but perhaps you should put a little more thought into what you write- for your own benefit.

Peace.

You can't just say half, without saying what's Islamically wrong with them,
you say for my "miserable ends"??? In Islam we look towards the Day of Judgement, the countries that you see today are finishing, how much time do people think they have to learn? I'm not the one wasting time here. Looking towards the Day of Judgement is not miserable.

If I just posted a lot of threads for chit-chat, no one would be saying you cannot talk about your personal matter here etc, again you say what I have said is unIslamic, well it is not. Do not evil people when the Prophets came up to them and say we don't want to hear of this etc? Also they were arrogant to the Prophet saying I don't want to listen to you. In Islam it is right that when anyone talks of Allah, the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell, you respect that person-why have people just been reading the title. If people did not want to listen to what I have to write-if there intentions were so honourable they would have read on Islam themselves, or checked what I was writing with someone else.

I am correct in what I write, making useless comments saying I am wrong, without saying what is Islamically wrong with them. People have shown that they are wasting time.

[Nazia1987]

My post was posted at "Yesterday, 09:54 PM".

Your reply to Nazia1987 at "Yesterday, 10:05 PM". I'm sorry your reply to Nazia1987 didn't exactly exist when I replied- my bad :|

[Nazia1987]

Actions of Nazia1987;-


1. When someone gets something wrong, they can feel embarrassed take it the wrong way, and they don't want to admit they were wrong in what they do, so they do the same thing over and over again. This is what Nazia1987 is doing;-

me:

So she accepted Islam, something which I didn't realize. My bad there, you caught me in that one and I am most def wrong on that point!

h-n:

I am correct in what I write, making useless comments saying I am wrong, without saying what is Islamically wrong with them. People have shown that they are wasting time.

:facepalm:

This post has been edited by Nazia1987: Nov 5 2010, 04:41 PM

[Goldenraindrop]

I think tolerance is very important. I'm not ashamed to say that there are non-muslims who act in a much nicer and kinder way than some muslims. It's not as black and white as muslim vs non-muslim. Only Allah swt can know what is in people's heart and judge them, so who are you to pretend to know if a person is good or bad?

Here is a hadith, and I hope it makes you think!

Abu Hurayra said, "The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, was asked, 'Messenger of Allah! A certain woman prays in the night, fasts in the day, acts and gives sadaqa, but injures her neighbours with her tongue.' The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'There is no good in her. She is one of the people of the Fire.' They said, 'Another woman prays the prescribed prayers and gives bits of curd as sadaqa and does not injure anyone.' The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'She is one of the people of the Garden.'"

[hally]

guys i dont think we should be fighting
h-n has every right to post what he pleases
we need peace instead of fighting on the internet

[Nazia1987]

guys i dont think we should be fighting
h-n has every right to post what he pleases
we need peace instead of fighting on the internet

hally you are right we shouldn't be fighting I'll take the blame there for making the fight continue because i should have let it die long back but i just couldn't resist replying to some things which made me kind of laugh like claiming i'm a bad person for writing toothbrush hehe

but anyway, no body has said h-n can't post what she wants on the forum. no body has edited her posts or told her to leave. She is free to post whatever she wants. But she must be willing to face any disagreement and critisism. weather she sees it or not there is scores of intolerance throughout the majority of her posts, and most of them are basd on rather weak arguments so is not surprising many people will disagree. if somebody posted a thread that said : "all shia are evil and GOING TO HEEEEELLL!!!! I SPEAK THE TRUTH!" Do you think everyone would just like oh ya fine, or there would be people in there saying... uh... are you crazy or somethin?? and stamping out the hatred in the posts? What if somebody goes around in real life saying such things? I'm sorry but if a fellow muslimah that was a friend of mine was ggoing around yelling about how all non-MUslims are evil, and saying vile things about them, I would stand up the same because not only does it give the world a reason to continue hating Muslims, it's simply not right and it breeds hatred.

There is a famous poem by a German man:
"They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."

Hatred and intolerance IMHO should always be stood up to, even when its as small as on the internet. Am I saying h-n is a bad person, no. Am I saying h-n is some crazy radical out to hurt people,, lol no. I don't think that. But words of intolerance have a way of spreading like flames. Perhaps it does not change a persons opinion to stand up to such cwords, but at least an attempt is made. I think h-n is just trying to be a good Muslim, and I am not insulting her on that front. But she's spreading a very hateful message weather she realizes it or not in the execution of her words and that I personally will never stand for weather its coming from a Muslim, a Christian, a Jew, whatever.

p.s. the closest anyone has come to saying h-n can't post is me when I suggested that there should be a limit on how many topics a person can post in a short time span. Many forums have this and its precisely to control a flood of posts which h -n has done which imo just monopolized the board and pushes everyone else's posts down. Look at the subforum, going all the way down on the front page is about 80% h-n posts with about 1-2 replies all from h-n.

This post has been edited by Nazia1987: Nov 6 2010, 11:40 AM

[h-n]

I think tolerance is very important. I'm not ashamed to say that there are non-muslims who act in a much nicer and kinder way than some muslims. It's not as black and white as muslim vs non-muslim. Only Allah swt can know what is in people's heart and judge them, so who are you to pretend to know if a person is good or bad?

Here is a hadith, and I hope it makes you think!

Abu Hurayra said, "The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, was asked, 'Messenger of Allah! A certain woman prays in the night, fasts in the day, acts and gives sadaqa, but injures her neighbours with her tongue.' The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'There is no good in her. She is one of the people of the Fire.' They said, 'Another woman prays the prescribed prayers and gives bits of curd as sadaqa and does not injure anyone.' The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'She is one of the people of the Garden.'"

Pretend to know??? Allah has provided us the rules to follow. He is made the test simple that he has already told us what we are being tested on for the Day of Judgement.

Also idol worshippers etc are sinful. Also remember the Uncle of the Prophet, he has gone to Hell no matter what he had done.

People enjoy subsituting one situation for another and using any example which have got nothing to do with what is currently going on.

1. I have added threads-nothing Islamically wrong with them. As the countries are finishing and the DAJJAL will be here. Its a tough time, if you have a problem with how I am, then how are you going to cope then?? There is no more countries, economy, money as you see today, no banks-see the Major signs of the Day of Judgement thread and the Collapse of these countries.

2. I don't expect people to think they have time to learn the basics of Islam causally in thier own sweet time, as there won't be. Ie when the tsuanmi was happening people were so caught up in watching the flood etc, they were rightly not going to retreat in their homes and open a book and learn about Islam-they are caught up in events. See the other threads mentioned.

3. I am not here for chit chat, and the people who I have replied to, have proven time and time again that the did not read the threads, and were wasting the only time we have to make it to a good place. Allah has allowed us to earn our rewards in the next world, of course we relay on his Mercy-but as he stated we earn our rewards.

You use the example of someone pretending they are good, and being horrible to people-again how do you expect people to be WHEN these countries are of no more? See the other thread before mentioning. So actually I am not wasting time, just being to the point. If people don't want to read the thread, then they shouldn't post-and have you read this thread??? I don't think so. If you don't like people being to the point then how are you going to cope when going through the Major signs of the Day of Judgement?? (so the difference is that I'm not wasting time) As its going to be very tough ie when the DAJJAL arrives.

[h-n]

guys i dont think we should be fighting
h-n has every right to post what he pleases
we need peace instead of fighting on the internet

Thanks for taking the time to say that.

1. I have come here to place threads, and of course its upto people if they want to read them or not.

2. What you find is that people did NOT read the threads and were quick to say I should not be writing it (when they have shown they know little of Islam). There were other comments saying I should just think about myself, when its a Muslim's duty to spread knowledge. Its OK to tell me to be quiet when talking about Islam, but its OK for them to talk about anything?

3. If anyone wants to write threads about TV programmes, games etc, nobody would be saying you should not be writing a thread about it. If I wrote 20 threads on social chit chat, then no one would have complained.

4. It speaks volumes for themselves that they are actually telling someone not to talk about what Islam teaches! Even the sinful people did not want to listen to Islam when the Prophets were teaching them, and were being in jest ie throwing things at the Prophets, saying, making any noises when he passed-they will be punished in the fires of Hell so yes the word "toothbrush" will be held against Nazia1987 if she does not desist from this. Nothing is exempted from the Day of Judgement, this is not a casual chit chat thread were she can get away with that. But not on Islamic threads!

The countries are collapsing, the DAJJAL will be here and the Prophet Jesus peace be upon him is coming back (when all these countries, banks etc, will be gone before then-see Major signs of the Day of Judgement thread and the Collapse of these countries). The only difference is that I am not wasting time, I don't seek attention, if I was I would be here all the time. I am finishing and winding down as of course there won't be an internet and moving forward.

[h-n]

guys i dont think we should be fighting
h-n has every right to post what he pleases
we need peace instead of fighting on the internet

hally you are right we shouldn't be fighting I'll take the blame there for making the fight continue because i should have let it die long back but i just couldn't resist replying to some things which made me kind of laugh like claiming i'm a bad person for writing toothbrush hehe

but anyway, no body has said h-n can't post what she wants on the forum. no body has edited her posts or told her to leave. She is free to post whatever she wants. But she must be willing to face any disagreement and critisism. weather she sees it or not there is scores of intolerance throughout the majority of her posts, and most of them are basd on rather weak arguments so is not surprising many people will disagree. if somebody posted a thread that said : "all shia are evil and GOING TO HEEEEELLL!!!! I SPEAK THE TRUTH!" Do you think everyone would just like oh ya fine, or there would be people in there saying... uh... are you crazy or somethin?? and stamping out the hatred in the posts? What if somebody goes around in real life saying such things? I'm sorry but if a fellow muslimah that was a friend of mine was ggoing around yelling about how all non-MUslims are evil, and saying vile things about them, I would stand up the same because not only does it give the world a reason to continue hating Muslims, it's simply not right and it breeds hatred.

There is a famous poem by a German man:
"They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."

Hatred and intolerance IMHO should always be stood up to, even when its as small as on the internet. Am I saying h-n is a bad person, no. Am I saying h-n is some crazy radical out to hurt people,, lol no. I don't think that. But words of intolerance have a way of spreading like flames. Perhaps it does not change a persons opinion to stand up to such cwords, but at least an attempt is made. I think h-n is just trying to be a good Muslim, and I am not insulting her on that front. But she's spreading a very hateful message weather she realizes it or not in the execution of her words and that I personally will never stand for weather its coming from a Muslim, a Christian, a Jew, whatever.

p.s. the closest anyone has come to saying h-n can't post is me when I suggested that there should be a limit on how many topics a person can post in a short time span. Many forums have this and its precisely to control a flood of posts which h -n has done which imo just monopolized the board and pushes everyone else's posts down. Look at the subforum, going all the way down on the front page is about 80% h-n posts with about 1-2 replies all from h-n.

Allah said that idol worshippers are evil-that is what I am saying
Allah said that lewd people were evil-that is what I am saying.
Allah said that Christians who say that Allah is one of 3 etc are in awful sin and if they desist not they will go to Hell -that is what I'm saying.

So then you have a problem with Islam??
Are you saying that Allah is spreading hate when he tells us not to like evil?
You are quick to think of what non-Muslims would think and then pick and choose what you want from Islam??

You talk the same way as non-Muslims they also claim to be good when supporting hommosexuals-get it, you are WRONG. WE forbid evil and enjoin good, the Jews and the Christians have failed at this and we are NOT going to turn out like them! I have never said to attack anyone, but I am never going to stop showing dissaproval and go against their evil behaviour!

Actually your not the only one who has gone against me posting, another member said that I should just think about making myself good-then what is the point of an Islamic forum? For idol chit chat?

Remember the DAJJAL is coming and there is NO WAY your going to repeat what you've ever stated and if you can't cope with me, being to the point, then are you going to complain about other Muslims going through the Major signs of the Day of Judgement as they will be to the point too during a very difficult time? Its not about casual chit chat-see the Major signs of the Day of Judgement and the Collapse of these countries thread!