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post Mar 16 2011, 01:20 PM
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One of the forum rules state:

"Do not post anything regarding the intention of bombing or killing any human being."


It is evident that the writer of this rule is either an ignoramus with no Shar'i knowledge, or a Kaafir attempting to twist Islaam to suit himself.

Rather, the killing of 'Human Beings', such as the Christians, Jews, Atheists, and all others who are against
Islaam, banning Islaam in the various countries around the world, and oppressing the Muslimeen, the killing of such people is praiseworthy. Infact, above being a praiseworthy act, it is Fardh.

Anyone who is against the killing of such 'Human Beings' in any way, has renegaded against the Deen of Islaam.

The writer of this rule and all those who approve it, and do not detest it, are Murtaddeen, and should repent from their Kufr and accept Islaam.

The killing of those who oppose the Deen of Islaam is known as Jihaad, and the Qur'aan is replete with Aayaah mentioning the fadheelah of this act of Jihaad, such as:

"Verily, Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in rows (ranks) as if they were a solid structure."

(61: 4)

"Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

(9: 29)

"So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives). Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam), until the war lays down its burden.

Thus [you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam (i.e. are saved from the punishment in the Hell-fire) or at least come under your protection], but if it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost."

(47: 4)

"And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do."

(8: 39)

"O Prophet (Muhammad )! Urge the believers to fight. If there are twenty steadfast persons amongst you, they will overcome two hundred, and if there be a hundred steadfast persons they will overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are people who do not understand."

(8: 65)

"Say: If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your kindred, the wealth that you have gained, the commerce in which you fear a decline, and the dwellings in which you delight ... are dearer to you than Allah and His Messenger, and striving hard and fighting in His Cause , then wait until Allah brings about His Decision (torment). And Allah guides not the people who are Al-Fasiqun (the rebellious, disobedient to Allah)."

(9: 24)

"O you who believe! What is the matter with you, that when you are asked to march forth in the Cause of Allah (i.e. Jihad) you cling heavily to the earth? Are you pleased with the life of this world rather than the Hereafter? But little is the enjoyment of the life of this world as compared with the Hereafter.

If you march not forth, He will punish you with a painful torment and will replace you by another people, and you cannot harm Him at all, and Allah is Able to do all things."

(9: 38, 39)

"March forth, whether you are light (being healthy, young and wealthy) or heavy (being ill, old and poor), strive hard with your wealth and your lives in the Cause of Allah. This is better for you, if you but knew."

(9: 41)

"Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day would not ask your leave to be exempted from fighting with their properties and their lives, and Allah is the All-Knower of Al-Muttaqun."

(9: 44)

"And when a Surah (chapter from the Qur'an) is revealed, enjoining them to believe in Allah and to strive hard and fight along with His Messenger, the wealthy among them ask your leave to exempt them (from Jihad) and say, "Leave us (behind), we would be with those who sit (at home)."

(9: 86)

"Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allah's Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) and the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success."

(9: 111)

"And make ready against them all you can of power, including steeds of war (tanks, planes, missiles, artillery, etc.) to threaten the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides whom, you may not know but whom Allah does know. And whatever you shall spend in the Cause of Allah shall be repaid unto you, and you shall not be treated unjustly."

(8: 60)

"You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment.

That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know!

(If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of 'Adn - Eternity ['Adn (Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success.

And also (He will give you) another (blessing) which you love, help from Allah (against your enemies) and a near victory. And give glad tidings (O Muhammad ) to the believers."

(61: 10, 11, 12, 13)

These Aayaah should suffice for the one with Imaan in his heart to realize the great status of Jihaad as a Fardh, and as an act of 'Ibaadah.

Therefore, those who oppose discussion on this topic of Jihaad, are intending to put out the Light of Allah, as Allaah says in the Qur'aan:

"They intend to put out the Light of Allah (i.e. the religion of Islam, this Qur'an, and Prophet Muhammad ) with their mouths. But Allah will complete His Light even though the disbelievers hate (it)."

(61: 8)

The Mujaahideen, who are labelled as 'Terrorists' by the Kuffaar, and the Housewife
Ulema-e-Soo like Yusuf al-Qardhaawi, Muhammad Sayyid Tantaawi and their ilk, are
infact the greatest people on the surface of the earth.
These people are the true Auliyaa-ullah.

Hating these great people and their Jihaad, which is the greatest act of 'Ibaadah
in Islaam, is in itself an act of Kufr.

Whoever dies not believing in this Fardh of Islaam, i.e. Jihaad, dies on a religion
other than Islaam, and his abode will be the fire of Jahannum.

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post Mar 16 2011, 01:58 PM
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"Do not post anything regarding the intention of bombing or killing any human being."

I agree 100% with the above rule, does that make me an ignoramus too?

Also, what you're saying is, you condone the killing of people against Islam?

P.s Speaking of ignoramuses, you spelled ignoramus wrong.
 
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post Mar 16 2011, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE(Silly Billy @ Mar 16 2011, 09:58 PM) *
"Do not post anything regarding the intention of bombing or killing any human being."

I agree 100% with the above rule, does that make me an ignoramus too?

Also, what you're saying is, you condone the killing of people against Islam?

P.s Speaking of ignoramuses, you spelled ignoramus wrong.



Firstly, your agreeing with this miserable Shaitaanic ruling, not only makes you an ignoramus, it makes you a Kaafir.

Secondly, you choose to criticise an insignificant spelling error, while ignoring the rest of the post, and the Qur'aanic Aayaah therein.

It is clear that you are a misguided, deviant woman, who has been led astray by
Shaitaan.

It is imperative upon you accept Islaam, as the religion you are following has no connection with Islaam.

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post Mar 16 2011, 02:56 PM
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QUOTE(Huzaifah Ebrahim @ Mar 16 2011, 08:32 PM) *
QUOTE(Silly Billy @ Mar 16 2011, 09:58 PM) *
"Do not post anything regarding the intention of bombing or killing any human being."

I agree 100% with the above rule, does that make me an ignoramus too?

Also, what you're saying is, you condone the killing of people against Islam?

P.s Speaking of ignoramuses, you spelled ignoramus wrong.



Firstly, your agreeing with this miserable Shaitaanic ruling, not only makes your an ignoramus, it makes you a Kaafir.

Secondly, you choose to criticise an insignificant spelling error, while ignoring the rest of the post, and the Qur'aanic Aayaah therein.

It is clear that you are a misguided, deviant woman, who has been led astray by
Shaitaan.

It is imperative upon you accept Islaam, as the religion you are following has no connection with Islaam.

Misguided woman? Kafir? Oh dear.. And who are you to call me a disbeliever? What authority do you have?

Abu Dharr (May Allah be pleased with him) said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) saying, "If somebody accuses another of disbelief or calls him the enemy of Allah, such an accusation will revert to him (the accuser) if the accused is innocent.''
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].


Ibn `Umar (May Allah be pleased with them) said: The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "When a person calls his brother (in Islam) a disbeliever, one of them will certainly deserve the title. If the addressee is so as he has asserted, the disbelief of the man is confirmed, but if it is untrue, then it will revert to him.''
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].


Your quotations are taken out of context. Islam doesn't tell us to kill every non muslim we come across.

Let's get this straight, you believe that we all non believers should be killed?

 
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post Mar 16 2011, 03:35 PM
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"Misguided woman? Kafir? Oh dear.. And who are you to call me a disbeliever? What authority do you have?"

Whoever rejects any Aayah of the Qur'aan is a Kaafir.

As for the Hadeeth you quoted:

"Abu Dharr (May Allah be pleased with him) said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) saying, "If somebody accuses another of disbelief or calls him the enemy of Allah, such an accusation will revert to him (the accuser) if the accused is innocent.''
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim]."


Whoever disbelieves in any Aayah of the Qur'aan is not innocent.

As for the Aayaah which I have quoted, they command killing those Kuffaar
who oppose Islaam.

If a Kaafir does not oppose Islaam, agrees to pay the Jizyah, and agrees to
live under Muslim rule, then it is Haraam to kill him.

This is not the case with the Kuffaar in present times.

The Kuffaar have displayed their opposition to Islaam by invading Afghanistan,
Iraq, banning the minarets in Libya, banning the veil and scarf in France, etc.

It is not permissible for Muslims to live under Kaafir rule. Rather, all the Kuffaar
governments in the world must be destroyed, including the Saudi Arabian government,
ruled by the so-called Royal Family.

The only ruler acceptable in Islaam is the Khaleefah who rules according to the
Qur'aan and Sunnah.

The Saudi Arabian government does not rule according to the Qur'aan, and their
scholars such as Abdur-Rahmaan as-Sudais and others, make Du'aa for the American Kuffaar to destroy the Mujaahideen.

Whoever follows a Manhaaj other than the Manhaaj of the Mujaahideen is a Kaafir.

The true Islaam is that Islaam which was propagated by the saviours of Islaam
like Shaheed Sayyid Qutb, Shaheed Hasan al-Banna, Shaykh 'Abdullaah 'Azzaam,
Shaykh Usaamah bin Laadin, Dr. Ayman al-Zawaahiri, Mullah Umar, etc.

Those who follow a Manhaaj other than what is followed by Al-Qaa'ida and the
Taalibaan and the other Islaamic Jihaad groups is not following Islaam.

Their killing of the Kuffaar as was done in 9/11 is amongst the greatest acts of
'Ibaadah, and the 19 Muslims who carried out the destruction of the Twin Towers and
all others who had been involved in this will be rewarded for their deeds by Allaah.

The least that can be expected of any Muslim who possesses Imaan is to speak
about this Jihaad, and to make Du'aa for the Mujaahideen who sacrifice their
lives for the sake of Allaah.

 
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post Mar 16 2011, 03:51 PM
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Who said i disbelieved in the ayahs you posted? I said you quoted them out of context. I am not going to go and analyse them individually as I'm not knowledgeable enough to do that.

Are you seriously going to sit there and say you approve of 9/11? Tell me, does Islam tell us to kill innocent human beings just because they don't believe in Allah?

 
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post Mar 16 2011, 04:33 PM
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this guy has way too many screws loose.
 
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post Mar 17 2011, 01:32 PM
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"Are you seriously going to sit there and say you approve of 9/11?"

I state the truth regardless of who hates it, and I say, in unequivocal terms, that
the Mujaahideen who brought down the Twin Towers, were among the greatest people on the surface of the earth.

If somebody were to fast every day of his life, and perform Salaah for the entire
day every day of his life, he would still fail to reach the rank of these Mujaahideen, for:

"Safwaan bin Saleem said Abu Harairah asked, "Can anyone of you pray continuously
without rest and fast continuously without a break? They said, "O Abu Hurairah,
who could do that!" He said, "I swear in the name of whom my soul is in His hands:
The sleep of the Mujaahid is better than that!"

"Ibn Umar said: One trip on Jihaad is better than 50 Hajjs" (Ibn al-Mubaarak -- Ibn Abi Shaybah)


As for your saying:

"Tell me, does Islam tell us to kill innocent human beings just because they don't believe in Allah?"

A suitable reply to this has been given by Shaykh Humood bin Uqla Ash-Shu'aibi:



"Here, there is a question we will like to ask those who use the word "Terrorism" on what happened in America, and I want their reply.

The question is: When America attacked a Pharmaceutical firm in Sudan, using its planes and bombs, destroying it and killing everybody in it, staff and laborers, what was this called? Shouldn't the action of America in the Sudanese firm be considered as an act of terrorism? Else how can what those people did in America be treatest as an act of terrorism? Why is everybody condemning and rejecting what was done to those buildings in America and yet we did not hear any such condemnations on the destruction caused by America in the Sudanese firm?

I certainly don't see any difference between the two acts, except that the money that was used in building the firm is Muslims' and the workers and staff killed by destroying the firm were Muslims; Whereas, the buildings destroyed by those hijackers was built with the money of non-Muslims and the victims of the explosion were non-Muslims.

So, is this the difference that made some fellow brothers to call what happened in America 'Terrorism'!! While at the same time they neither condemned what happened in Sudan, nor called it TERRORISM?"

Furthermore, he said:

"Thus, what many are babbling and repeating on the case of the "innocent victims", is nothing but the effect of the West and its media, to the extent that many an unwary person repeats the words and expressions of our enemies, which are in direct contradiction with the expressions of Shari'ah.

Let us not, also, forget that it is permissible for us to treat non-Muslims similar to the way they treated us; and in this there is a reply and clear proof to all those who repeat the words "innocent victims", because Allah the Exalted has made that. Among the texts on that:

"Thus, if you retaliate, retaliate with what equals the aggression afflicted upon you" and He said:

"...and those whom, when an aggression afflicts them, they revenge, but the reward of an evil is an evil equal to it".

Also among the sayings of scholars on the permissibility of taking revenge:

Ibn Taimiyyah said: "it is their right to mutilate. So it is their right to do it in revenge and payback in the same coins, OR they may waive it, but patience is better. This is in a case where the mutilation does not lead to a gain in the Jihad, and it is not for an equal treatment from them (the enemies); But when Mutilating them will lead to their accepting the faith or warn them against another aggression, then, it is - in this case - part of recommended Jihad and retribution." (This was quoted by Ibn Muflih in Alfuru' vol.6 p.218)"


It was also the opinion of Shaykh-ul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah (Rahmatullaahi 'Alayhi) that it
is permissible to invade the lands of those who attack Islaam, kill any Kaafir living there,
or take them as slaves, or kill them and take their money.

Therefore, it is permissible for any Muslim to invade America, for example, and kill
any Kaafir he finds for no one amongst them is innocent, or he may take them as slaves,
or he may kill them and take their money, and this is praiseworthy.


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post Mar 18 2011, 02:59 PM
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let me put it on record for all to see.

you are a sicko.

islam does not permit the indiscriminate killing of human beings in any way. america killing indiscriminately does not justify doing the same to them. indiscriminate killings means killing people virtually at random, including people who might actually be sympathetic to islam, or indeed muslim themselves.

taking the life of an innocent, is like taking the life of mankind 5:32

we know there were muslims who died on 9/11. your favourite terrorists are going to hell. you'll end up with them if you're not careful son.
 
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post Mar 18 2011, 03:53 PM
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I second Rizwan.

Allah SWT knows what is in the person's heart and he knows the intentions. Who are you to claim that you are a better judge of people?

The famous verse for brainwashed folk.

On that account We ordained for the Children of Isra`il that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole humanity: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the whole humanity. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear (guidance), yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. (5:32)

“On that account” This refers back to the story in the previous verses (5:27-31) of the two sons of Adam (may peace be upon him), one of whom, Qabil (called Cain in English), murdered the other, Habil (called Abel). This was probably the first human death and murder in history, since Qabil did not know what to do with the dead body of his brother and had to learn it from a crow (5:31).

“We ordained for the Children of Isra`il” After this first murder in history God prohibited the killing of a human being, which shows that God generally gives laws after they have become necessary. The prohibition must have been done soon after the murder but the Qur`an takes us many ages forward in time to the time of the Children of Isra`il. This is because the verse is revealed in the context of Islamic message directed towards the people of the book. Many verses that precede and many verses that follow 5:32 concern the Jews and Christians. Indeed most of the Surah is about them and even its name al-Ma`idah (The Table) is derived from a story about Christians and the Prophet ‘Isa (5:112-119). The words “We ordained for the Children of Isra`il” may also reflect the fact that the particular form of the prohibition of murder mentioned in the verse found its first expression, albeit an imperfect one (see below), in the Israelite tradition.

“if any one slew a person … it would be as if he slew the whole humanity: and if any one saved a person, it would be as if he saved the whole humanity”.

 
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post Mar 19 2011, 03:04 AM
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what is this khalifa business?

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The only ruler acceptable in Islaam is the Khaleefah who rules according to the
Qur'aan and Sunnah.


whos the khaleefa then?

and no one's disputing the merits of jihad. the question is whether any 'jihad' that u do is actually justified in the eyes of allah. and killing innocents is not. it is clear, whatever ur 'islamic' scholars might say. but its too late for brainwashed people like u; and idiots that purport such a repulsive idea of islam who play right into the hands of the islamophobic movement who are looking for an excuse to start any kind of violence against muslims.
 
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post Mar 19 2011, 04:25 AM
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Bismillah...
Calling someone a Kaffir is a grave statement and you will answer to that accusation on the day of judgement. I hope you realise this and end the flying accusations inshAllah.

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post Mar 19 2011, 09:06 AM
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No one needs to reject any part of the Quran to not be a creature like you.

People with no understanding of the Quran, nor the religion it preaches turn out like you. It is your own failure to grasp any true knowledge which makes you think like this.

The funny thing is that you are condemning the actions of the west on the east, but at the same time, encouraging us to do the same to them. Hypocrisy no?

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Killed Bill - please do not stoop that low.


Huh?





 
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"Say (O Muhammad to them): "Believe in it (the Qur'aan) or do not believe (in it). Verily! Those who were given knowledge before it (the Jews and the Christians like 'Abdullah bin Salaam and Salman Al-Farisi), when it is recited to them, fall down on their faces in humble prostration."

(17: 107)

Your rejection of the Aayaah of the Qur'aan dealing with Jihaad is a result of
your Kufr, but Allaah is not in need of your acceptance of Islaam.

Allaah praises the Mujaahideen in the Qur'aan when He says:

"Among the believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah [i.e. they have gone out for Jihad (holy fighting), and showed not their backs to the disbelievers], of them some have fulfilled their obligations (i.e. have been martyred), and some of them are still waiting, but they have never changed [i.e.they never proved treacherous to their covenant which they concluded with Allah] in the least."

(33: 23)

If this acceptance of Jihaad is a result of being 'brainwashed', having 'a screw loose',
'hypocrisy', being 'a sicko', then Alhamdulillaah, I ask Allaah to increase me in
being all of this.

As the Mujaddid, Shaykh 'Abdullaah 'Azzaam once said:

"If this (fighting in Jihaad) is terrorism, then we are terrorists!"


"your favourite terrorists are going to hell"

No, rather 'my favourite terrorists' are such people about whom Allaah speaks
in the Qur'aan:

"Think not of those who are killed in the Way of Allah as dead. Nay, they are alive, with their Lord, and they have provision.

They rejoice in what Allah has bestowed upon them of His Bounty, rejoicing for the sake of those who have not yet joined them, but are left behind (not yet martyred) that on them no fear shall come, nor shall they grieve.

They rejoice in a Grace and a Bounty from Allah, and that Allah will not waste the reward of the believers."

(3: 169, 170, 171)

Those Mujaahideen who have been killed like Khattab, Shaamil Basayev, Shaykh 'Abdullaah 'Azzaam, Shaheed Sayyid Qutb, Maulaana Abdur Rasheed Ghaazi, etc (Rahmatullaahi 'alayhim ajma'een), though they have been killed they are not
dead, rather they are alive, and they will live forever.

"you'll end up with them if you're not careful son"

Aameen.

But what could one expect from a forum who's members (in their profiles) speak about their favourite music, their favourite Television shows and Movies, etc, knowing that these things are Haraam?

What could one expect from a people headed for destruction?

"Take pleasure in your disbelief for a while: surely, you are (one) of the dwellers of the Fire!"

(39: 8)

What I say is the truth, the true Islaam, which is hateful to the West and
those who follow their ways.

All of my statements and takfeer are backed up by the Qur'aan, Hadeeth, and
the true Ulemaa who understood Islaam, like Shaykh-ul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah.

Your statements are Baatil, backed up by Shaitaan, your Nafs, and your love for
this world.

"Nay! We fling down the truth (i.e. This Qur'aan) against Baatil (falsehood) which smashes out it's brains, and in no time it is nothing."

(Qur'aan)

Your words and your 'hoping I realise my Kufr and stop my accusations' do nothing
except increase me in Imaan, and respect for the Mujaahideen.

Even were I to be locked up and hanged it would not change me from my beliefs.
I answer you in the words of Shaykh-ul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah:

"What can my enemies do to me. Jannah is in my heart, wherever I go, it goes with me.
For me, jail is a place of religious retreat, execution is a means of attaing Shahaadah (Martyrdom), and exile from my land is but a chance to travel."

So you can ban me from this forum, delete my posts and hide away from the truth,
but keep these Aayaah in mind, which sums up the members on this forum and others who hate Jihaad and the Mujaahideen:

"Say (O Muhammad ): "Shall We tell you the greatest losers in respect of (their) deeds?

Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life while they thought that they were acquiring good by their deeds!

They are those who deny the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of their Lord and the Meeting with Him (in the Hereafter). So their works are in vain, and on the Day of Resurrection, We shall not give them any weight.

That shall be their recompense, Hell; because they disbelieved and took My Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and My Messengers by way of jest and mockery."

(18: 103, 104, 105, 106)

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Killed Bill - please do not stoop that low.


Huh?


In calling names and accusing others.
 
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post Mar 20 2011, 07:01 AM
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I want to ask one question:

Are there any Huffaaz (Plural of Haafiz, meaning one who has memorized the Qur'aan) on this forum?
Is anyone here an 'Aalim (Scholar of Islaam) or studying to become one?
 
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post Mar 20 2011, 12:09 PM
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There probably are, why?
 
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post Mar 20 2011, 01:01 PM
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jihad is great. there is no question.

the question is whether your practice of it is justifiable or not. killing civilians is not islam. if this is what you are proposing, then you're the one who has failed to understand, and you've been mislead by your hero 'scholars'.

your favourite 9/11 terrorists killed innocents, including muslims. for this, they will find only torment in the hereafter - the quran is clear about the gravity of killing innocents. perhaps your continued ignorance of this fact will lead you into such torments yourself, only allah knows.

no one is denying the merits of jihad when it is justified. there is nothing better than to die as a martyr. what u need to understand is that there is no excuse for picking a fight indiscriminately with innocent civilians, who may well be your greatest sympathisers.
 
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post Mar 20 2011, 02:33 PM
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"There probably are, why?"

So you, and the others who have been posting in this topic are neither Huffaaz
nor 'Ulemaa.

Let me tell you something; I am both a Haafiz (I became a Haafiz-ul-Qur'aan years ago),
and a 2nd year 'Aalim. (Of the 5 year 'Aalim course, I'm completing the 2nd year.)

So let me ask you, if you had problems with your health and went to consult a doctor,
would you argue with the doctor concerning the dianosis?
If your doctor told you that you have such-and-such a sickness and need to take
such-a-such a medicine to cure it, would you argue with the doctor thinking that
you knew better?

In the same way you, who do not possess the knowledge of the Sharee'ah that I
possess, are arguing with me concerning the Lughawiyy and Shar'i meaning of
Jihaad.

You most likely will not know Arabic also, that's why I quote the Aayaah of the Qur'aan
and the Ahaadeeth in English, for the benefit of the members, otherwise I would
have written them in Arabic.
I can read, write, speak and understand Arabic, that's why I know the Lughawiyy meaning of the word Jihaad, and do not need to read someone's translation of it.

Knowing the true meaning of the word Jihaad, I do not hold Jihaad to mean 'picking fights indiscriminately with innocent civilians', as this would be going completely against the Sharee'ah, and it would be a statement of Kufr, necessitating Towbah.

Rather I said, that those who oppose Islaam, and oppress the Muslimeen, and ban
the Qur'aan, Jihaad is Fardh against such people.
These people are America, first and foremost, with their so-called 'War on Terror'.
Indeed, they are the true terrorists, while the Mujaahideen are the soldiers of Allaah,
the defenders of the truth.

"you've been mislead by your hero 'scholars"

The majority of those I have mentioned like Usaamah bin Laadin, Dr. Ayman
al-Zawaahiri, Khattab, Shaamil Basayeb, etc...

These people are not scholars, they have never studied 'Ilm at any Madressah,
rather, they are only Mujaahideen.

I do not follow them, as it would not be proper for an 'Aalim to follow a non-'Aalim, instead, I praise them for their waging Jihaad in the path of Allah against those
who oppose Islaam.

I regard them as being among the greatest people on the earth so long as their
intention remains as it is: Making the Deen of Allaah supreme.

They follow the credo of Ikhwaan al-Muslimoon, which was:

"Allaah is our objective. The Qur'aan is our constitution. Rasoolullaah (Sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) is our leader. Jihaad is our way, and death for the sake of Allaah is the
highest of our aspirations."

Can there be any creed better than this?
Can there be any people greater than those who follow this creed?

The true test of a person's Imaan comes in two places: The battle-fields and the prisons.

If a person can remain firm on Imaan while fighting, being injured and killed on the
battle-field (like Khattab, Shaamil Basayev, Abu Hamza al-Masri, etc), and while being locked up and tortured in jail (like Shaheed Sayyid Qutb), then you can be sure
that such a person is a true Mu'min.

I've been asked: "Have you ever come across a person who agrees with your views?",
I say yes, all those who agreed with and followed the same views as me were killed
in the path of Allaah, and Inshaa'allaah, they are with their Lord receiving provision
from him.

It is narrated that in the time of Rasoolullaah (Sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) after
some Sahaabah (Radhiyallaahu 'anhum) were killed in battle, they were admitted
into the presence of Allaah, and rewarded greatly by Allaah beyond imagination.

Due to this they beseeched Allaah, that how nice it would have been O Allaah,
if you had let those who are fighting in your path on earth know of the reward
we have been given.

Allaah answered their Du'aahs and sent down these Aayaah:

"Think not of those who are killed in the Way of Allaah as dead. Nay, they are alive, with their Lord, and they have provision.

They rejoice in what Allaah has bestowed upon them of His Bounty, rejoicing for the sake of those who have not yet joined them, but are left behind (not yet martyred) that on them no fear shall come, nor shall they grieve.

They rejoice in a Grace and a Bounty from Allaah, and that Allaah will not waste the reward of the believers."

(3: 169, 170, 171)

 
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