QUOTE(Patriot @ Apr 28 2008, 01:17 PM)
Wow... killer, supporter of rape? I can't believe what I have been reading.
I support rape because I recognized that this sort of thing happens ON BOTH SIDES? Did you bother to mention that I thought it to be deplorable? Because I acknowledge it's existence, I support rape? If your news media is telling you that all the Americans do is kill innocent civilians and rape women, I must question your sources. You must really be brainwashed if you don't see that mentality as somewhat biased.
I am sure you would never acknowledge any good that has come or may come from the Americans.
What has America wrought that was good?
A 200 year slavery trade? The Most Tragic and devastating one of all time?
The Monroe Doctrine?
Native American Genocide?
An Imperial Policy around the world, thats killing millions and oppressing many more?
You sir are a brainwashed product of the american media, if you can't see that your media is biased you surely must be blind.
I'm 16 and I've noticed it, for you there is no excuse.
You obviously have taken what I said completely out of context due to your anger and frustration. I will forgive you for that.
I offered a western perspective on some of the more controversial issues that most in the west are very curious about. I did this for two reasons. I wanted to find out if they were true and to give an opportunity to explain if they are. You say Google is the answer, yet the typical reaction to that approach is "biased news source". I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. I wanted the "man on the street" Muslim perspective, and I got it… claims of insulting Islam because I asked difficult questions. Personal insults… killer, supporter of rape… etc.
Completely out of context? Anger? Frustration? You support the killing of my people, you call my people names, you support the oppressors of my people and yet you don't expect anger?
This Notion is absurd.
You support the War on Terror, why because you say "americans were attacked", I'm even going to disregard the fact that a lot of your sources are just straight up bogus. You expect America to enslave, oppress, kill, rape, maim and remain blameless? My God, you can't even open your eyes enough to see that the U.S. isn't even democratic. Your too Blind to realize your currency controls your own Government.
I meant no malice. Yes, I do support the "war of terror" because of the many attacks against many people by Muslim extremists. These extremist are not from any one country or organization. The attacks have come from individuals of every Muslim dominated country in the world. This does not mean I hate Muslims anymore than I hate Christians because of groups like the KKK. I will always support action against extremist of any kind who wants me killed for what I believe. I believe Israel deserved statehood, so I should be killed? I believe the Palestinians deserve statehood too. Do the Israelis want me killed for it? The way I see it… The Arabs want it all, Israel wants a piece and the Persians want the Israelis dead. No one can deny that the Jews did have a piece of the "Holy Land" at one time.
That is MALICE, you support the war that is killing so many right now its a shame, you even admit that Iraq has done nothing to you. Why must Iraqis be killed because THEY HAVE BELIEFS DIFFERENT THAN YOUR OWN? You call my people names, you compare them to the KKK which by the way was supported by your own damn government!
America like Israel was created in a genocidal rampage by a group of people who found themselves genetically superior, so I guess you DO have something in common there eh?
Yes, if you want Palestinian sovereignty they will want you dead, haven't you read the news? A guy named Ron Paul, he actually wants a Palestinian state, Israeli's want him dead, Jimmy carter speaks to hamas, Israel wants him dead. American christian walks Palestinian kids to school, gets beat half to death by Israeli's.
The Jews did live in the Holy Land for one time, when the Christians kicked them out we let them in. Zionism isn't Judaism though, Zionism is Racism.
Chuck says the only way to understand the hatred of Americans is to go to other countries. I have been to many other countries and quite frankly I don't see the hatred from individuals I meet and besides, I really don't care if others hate Americans. I believe that many non-western countries have a biased, government controlled media that is used to manipulate the opinion of their citizens. When I see a media that is allowed to say whatever they want about their government, like in the US, then I will have some trust for that media's validity.
What countries and where in them? Have you spoken to anyone in anything but english? were in the presence of REAL people not the fakes put up in tourists attractions?
Biased government controlled media? Are you serious?
That is the EMBODIMENT OF THE AMERICAN MEDIA. Ever wonder why you never heard Ron Paul Give a speech? Or Anyone ever critise Israel on the Air?
For you to say, "non western media" is like that Is Hypocritical, Idiot, and quite frankly Racist.
So back to the subject… in a nut shell, I upset some individuals because I said things that were true. I say this because either there was no response to a question or the response was just anger at me for asking such a question, or fingers were pointed in another direction to avoid answering the question or the question was only half answered. Evasiveness at it's best. On the subject of circumcision, one responded with, "circumcision has been going on for thousands of years", what he didn't mention was that countries like Egypt, Somalia and many African countries remove the entire clitoris. This is not circumcision, this is mutilation.
There you go generalizing, Female Circumcision isn't even that COMON, its a rare thing, and yes, circumcision has been done for thousands of years. In a way, Circumcision is mutilation, depends on how you define it. Hell Tattoos are Mutilation, Plastic Surgery is too. Piercings, etc.
You said nothing that was true, the only thing frustrating is how quick you cling to your ignorance.
Evasiveness, no. I'm coming at you head on, you;ve yet to show any proof to back up your claims.
Why be angry at me for mentioning things that are true. Because you do not condone them does not make it less true. If they are not done as a result of Muslim beliefs, then be angry at those who do it in the name of Islam… not me!
You haven't mentioned anything true to date, just a bunch of lies your government spews that even the FBI doesn't listen too
Goto Usama's Most wanted page if you wish to know what I mean, I've linked you before, if you want to stay ignorant be my guest.
Your anger is directed at the wrong person, on this subject anyway. Be angry at me for my support of the war, but not for truths that you do not want to confront about Islam. Let me give you an example of what I mean. If the Quran' or a Hadith says a man or woman should be circumcised and explained how it should be done, yet other Muslim sects interpret this in such a way to mutilate and destroy what God gave a woman for a very specific reason… to enjoy the act of procreation, the same as a man. This is an unfortunate truth about Islam. There is no central authority to guide all its followers in the same direction. I believe this happens for cultural reasons… the tribal mentality. Please don't point out that this is true with other religions too. I don't care about other religions and this site is about Islam. I am trying to find out as much as I can about Islam because of the situation in today's world. The more I look at the various religions, one stands out… Islam. No other religion I have investigated has such control over its followers, particularly women. Com'on, don't get upset. Stop and think about it. Death for conversion to a different faith? I would think twice before I converted to say Christianity if I was threatened with death. It appears to be very male dominated, which I guess is alright as long as it is not abused. Too much control has been given to mortal men on issues of an individual's morality. How can such trust be given to men who have proven they can not be trusted with such power. No man should be given this power. In my opinion, this is the root of all curruption
Your ignorance IS frustrating, Its called the Internet, you have databases, READ for the sake of god man READ!!!
How can you even say what a truth about a religion is if you don't even know it?
You obviously know nothing about the quran if you think circumcision is in it, or stoning, or death for conversion to another faith.
I think you're confusing QURAN with the BIBLE.
Heck a simple google search "Quan and stoning" you'll get so many learned scholars telling you its not in quran...
Don't get upset? How can I not be upset, A frekkin Moron is trying to Lecture me about my religion without having picked up a quran in his lifetime.
First of all, you're over exaggerating the issue of female circumcision, in those muslim societies that do it, Its Circumcision, NO CLITORIS IS REMOVED!
You say I've been listening to propaganda? You say Islam stands out? hmmm let me think abut that, maybe its because there's an agenda right now. You only see news about muslims because THATS THE ATTITUDE THE MEDIA IS TRYING TO EMBED INTO YOUR MIND. Oh and guess what, YOU'RE FALLING FOR IT LIKE AN IDIOT.
Control? Are you serious? Islam has no central authority, We have Scholars but we don't have some monarch like pope, telling us what to do. That's FREEDOM, something you wouldn't know about.
Fear No one but ALLAH(SWT), thats one of the core beliefs in Islam, he are a people of God-Fear and earthly detachment. That's Islam. TRUE FAITH.
My challenge to you is to find any of the stuff you said is in Islam in the quran.
I'm telling you now you wont find it. Just try though.
Quran is the farthest thing from corruption.
Its been passed down in an unchanged text AND kept in the Oral Traditional.
I think the reason many Muslims get angry about comments non-believers or other religions make, is due to what I said above regarding no central authority which has resulted in many different beliefs and religious practices within Islam. How does one come to understand a religion that has such a diverse following with so many interpretations of how to practice the religion of Islam? How would anyone know what is of the "True Islam" and what is not? The only way I know is to ask questions. The reaction to this is almost always ANGER
First of all "you think" you don't know because you don't know crap about Islam, you have yet to make the conscious effort to TRY and Understand it. No central Authority In Islam. Its Up to the INDIVIDUAL to his or her ISLAM, you say Islam is oppressive but HOW IN THE WORLD CAN A SYSTEM BE OPPRESSIVE IF THE CHOICE IS LEFT UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL???
How does one find true Islam, if you weren't such an idiot you'd know it were in your own heart. You get anger because your stupidity and your constant ignorance blinds you at every turn.