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aras
Assalamu alaikum,
hey I was wondering if I'm the only mid-eastern on this forum. I was born and raised in the States, but I'm originally Syrian. Anyone from bellad al-sham (syria, lebenon, jordan, palestine, or iraq)?
kellyjaz
Yes - Do i get cookies?
aras
Assalamu alaikum,

yay another middle-easterner...cool.

no cookie sorry.

Hey where are you from? do you speak Arabic?
kellyjaz
This is not a Martial site kiddo.
Al-Din'As-Darfur
Kelly thats mean!(still funny though)

>> from the maghrib(West as in north africa, not sunset people)
aras
QUOTE(kellyjaz @ Jul 31 2008, 03:41 AM) *
This is not a Martial site kiddo.


well excuse me for being friendly.

I thought this was the regional section, just wanted to represent my mid-eastern side.
juan
QUOTE(aras @ Jul 31 2008, 11:48 AM) *
QUOTE(kellyjaz @ Jul 31 2008, 03:41 AM) *
This is not a Martial site kiddo.


well excuse me for being friendly.

I thought this was the regional section, just wanted to represent my mid-eastern side.

Thats typical KJ for you. Don't take it personal really. She is upset cause you didn't bring milk or cookies.
kellyjaz
QUOTE(aras @ Jul 31 2008, 09:48 AM) *
QUOTE(kellyjaz @ Jul 31 2008, 03:41 AM) *
This is not a Martial site kiddo.


well excuse me for being friendly.

I thought this was the regional section, just wanted to represent my mid-eastern side.



Your excused. (JK)

Welcome to the forum. : )
aras
Assalamu alaikum,

Moroccan huh? have you been there before? I have 2 summers ago.

I understand the Moroccan accent really well, and not many Arabs can (cuz its so...diff). Laa bass? Be kheir?

Anyone from bellad ash-sham? doesn't seem like it. This forum seems like it has an India/Bengali/paki majority. dunno...maybe I'm wrong.
Al-Din'As-Darfur
QUOTE(aras @ Aug 2 2008, 11:04 PM) *
Assalamu alaikum,

Moroccan huh? have you been there before? I have 2 summers ago.

I understand the Moroccan accent really well, and not many Arabs can (cuz its so...diff). Laa bass? Be kheir?

Anyone from bellad ash-sham? doesn't seem like it. This forum seems like it has an India/Bengali/paki majority. dunno...maybe I'm wrong.


dry.gif Wrong maghrib, bladiassudan.

ALmaghrib la almaghrib....confusing I know. Its like, america calling itself america...

Don't you hate it when countries name themselves after regions?
juan
QUOTE(Al-Din'As-Darfur @ Aug 3 2008, 11:30 AM) *
QUOTE(aras @ Aug 2 2008, 11:04 PM) *
Assalamu alaikum,

Moroccan huh? have you been there before? I have 2 summers ago.

I understand the Moroccan accent really well, and not many Arabs can (cuz its so...diff). Laa bass? Be kheir?

Anyone from bellad ash-sham? doesn't seem like it. This forum seems like it has an India/Bengali/paki majority. dunno...maybe I'm wrong.


dry.gif Wrong maghrib, bladiassudan.

ALmaghrib la almaghrib....confusing I know. Its like, america calling itself america...

Don't you hate it when countries name themselves after regions?

Technically we are the United States of America wink.gif .
aras
Assalamu alaikum,

Oh I see...yeah that is confusing, especially because 'Al-maghrib' is what we call Morocco in Arabic.

Ok Sudan, cool. In that case, you guys speak normal Arabic, you don't dismantle it like the Moroccans do. I think Sudanis have an accent very similar to Masri people right? Don't they say: izayik? (how are you)...well at least the Sudanis I know do.

Yup tru... countries naming after regions....but bellad ash-sham was what the region (syria, jordan, lebanon, iraq, pali) was called during the time of the prophet pbuh.gif, and sometimes when history refers to ash-sham, people think its talking about syria only since the capital of syria is Damascus, which Syrians call 'sham'...yeah pretty confusing.

QUOTE(juan @ Aug 3 2008, 09:44 AM) *
Technically we are the United States of America wink.gif .


What state are you from?
maismail09
FL!!!!! REP!!
Al-Din'As-Darfur
QUOTE(aras @ Aug 3 2008, 10:50 AM) *
Assalamu alaikum,

Oh I see...yeah that is confusing, especially because 'Al-maghrib' is what we call Morocco in Arabic.

Ok Sudan, cool. In that case, you guys speak normal Arabic, you don't dismantle it like the Moroccans do. I think Sudanis have an accent very similar to Masri people right? Don't they say: izayik? (how are you)...well at least the Sudanis I know do.

Yup tru... countries naming after regions....but bellad ash-sham was what the region (syria, jordan, lebanon, iraq, pali) was called during the time of the prophet pbuh.gif , and sometimes when history refers to ash-sham, people think its talking about syria only since the capital of syria is Damascus, which Syrians call 'sham'...yeah pretty confusing.

Sudan is taken from bilad as sudan which meant the more "ethnic" part of muslim africa, from niageria to kenya.
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Its like 3 countries mashed into one.

Sudani 3arabic is like masri 3arabic, but with a lot more of the ancient nubian influence.

Some say Izayik while others(like myself), just butcher kayfalhalak, into kayfkayf or Kayfhal?
aras
Assalamu alaikum,

kayfkayf...never heard that one before smile.gif but yeah I heard people say kayfhal. We say: keefak, shlownak, or keef haalak? Do you understand the Syrian accent? I think most people do... I think the most widely understood accent amongst Arabs is Masri because of the famous plays and movies by masri actors.

Hey which Arabic accent do you think is the worst? For me its Moroccan (I don't think that language even qualifies as Arabic, too much french is mixed in), sounds so yucky, you know?

YAY FL!!!!

Assalamu alaikum,

Whats your favorite Arabic food?


Mine is yabraa...which is also called Waraq dawali , its green leaves stuffed with rice and ground beef and cooked...yum, my mouth is watering just thinking about it.
Binty
Salaam sis aras...let me introduce you to an old friend of mine, she's one of the oldest members here...she's arab also, Amatullah. She'll be posting shortly to contribute to this thread =)
Amatullah
Assalaamu 'Alaykum

Thanks for the intro sis Shaz biggrin.gif.

SubhaanAllah, it's been a long time since I've been here!

Anyway sis aras, marhaba, I'm not from Bilaad Al-Shaam but I'm from Al-Khaleej (the Gulf) - As-Su3diyyah (Saudi Arabia) to be exact.

I agree, the Moroccan accent is SO hard to understand. Often on Arab news channels they even add subtitles to Moroccan speech because it's very hard to understand. SubhanAllah though, the world would be a boring place if there weren't people of different backgrounds, languages and dialects biggrin.gif

QUOTE
Mine is yabraa...which is also called Waraq dawali , its green leaves stuffed with rice and ground beef and cooked...yum, my mouth is watering just thinking about it.


Ooh, warag 3inab! That's what we call it. I love it, only we don't add beef, it's just rice and tomato for us. I like mahshi (dolma I think shamiyyeen call it) in general. Mostly koosa (courgette) and kurum (cabbage) mahshi.
All this talk of food is making me hungry tongue.gif.
Binty
QUOTE(Amatullah @ Aug 6 2008, 01:59 AM) *
All this talk of food is making me hungry tongue.gif .


Doesn't it all the time tongue.gif
aras
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,

Ahlan ukhti! so happy to meet a middle-eastern sis on this forum! Keefik?

Yeah, we do two kinds of Waraq 3inab; one with beef and rice which we call yabra2 (I know its weird only syrians call it that), and one that's kind of sour and it doesn't have meat it has tomatoes, that we call yalunji...lol yeah weird name also. I love both. I loooovvve koosa! Its def one of my faves!

Oh do you know kibbeh? Thats a classic Syrian dish...so hard to make, but worth all the work.

Man, you're so lucky to be in Saudi...my dream is to go to Makka and Medina...inshaAllah ya rab. SubhanaAllah everyone who goes to Medina says that they find it extrememly difficult to leave the place, like there is some kind of bond that happens subhanAllah.

Hey sis do you watch any of the Syrian mussalsalat (series)? You gotta love em, Syrians are good actors.
Amatullah
Assalaamu 'Alaykum

Alhamdulillah tamaam biggrin.gif

Oh yeah, that's the one we do...yalunji, lol never heard the word before.

Yep, I know kibbeh! Only we call it kubbah. The minced meat with the sanawbar one. It's good. I've heard there's a raw kubbah too?

Alhamdulillah sis.
I've only been to Madinah once, and subhanAllah it's true what people say. I couldn't help crying when we had to leave, it was really sad. SubhaanAllah Madinah is different. And how could it not be, being the home of the Ansaar and where our beloved Prophet PBUH was first welcomed.
Insha'Allah you get the opportunity to visit both Makkah and Madinah soon!

Haha, well I'm generally not much of a mutaabi3ah of musalsalaat. I remember last year though when Baab Al-Haara was being aired and everyone was going on about it. I wish I'd watched it after, lol.
aras
Assalamu alaikum,

I was going to ask you about Bab-al-harra...its rocks! lol. you know in Ramadan they're going to have part 3, its coming on mbc. You know in sham, and even here in the area I live (the US) when that mussalsal would come on everyone would close their shops and go home to watch it, lol. Good stuff, nothing inappropraite about it.

You should watch the first one, I think they have the whole thing on Youtube. Btw, do you understand the Syrian dialect well? I'm very familiar with the Suadi accent, its pretty cool. Plus I watched a couple of Saudi mussalsalat...but you saudi arabians are drama queens lol jk, or at least that's how it seems in the mussalsalat, always all this drama going on.

Yeah we do so many kinds of kibbeh; we do the regular kind that you mentioned, plus we do one called; kibbeh labaneeyeh ( Its raw kibbeh cooked in a yougart sauce...delicious), and kibbeh bell saniyyeh (its kibbeh spread out in a tray-sayniyyeh-so like a kibbeh pie). Yeah I know people who eat it raw..but its not healthy cuz its raw beef.

I wanna go to Medina so badly! I had a chance once to go to hajj, 2 years ago, it was the perfect oppurtunity, it was during my winter break...but subhanaAllah it wasn't my nasseeb. Its really expensive, and its only getting more and more expensive with the rising gas prices...and I'm just a poor student smile.gif InshaAllah izza Allah radd, I'll go their some day.
Amatullah
Assalaamu 'Alaykum

Hehe, I'll have to find the appropriate time to sit and watch it then. Oh I also like Maraaya, I forgot to say. You know with...Yassir 'Adhma (I can't remember if that's his exact name). It's funny. Maraaya maraaya maraayaa : D.

Eeh lakaan, I understand the Syrian dialect tongue.gif. Saudi dialects are different depending on the region/city. Like I'm from al Hijaz, so I have a hijazi dialect, I don't know if you've heard it before. Do you know Tash Ma Tash (which, by the way, I dislike, and it used to be better years ago but now it's just silly. I mean it was silly anyway but they often would have a message behind the episodes, but now it's just for the sake of amusing I feel)? Well, sometimes they imitate the Hijazi accent.

Haha, I've never actually watched a Saudi musalsal (unless you count Tash Ma Tash) but yes I understand what you mean, I know that khaleeji musalsalaat (like Kuwaiti and all) in general are a bit too exaggerated.

Yeah, I've only tried the regular kind of kibbah.

So have you tried any Saudi dishes? Kabsah for example (also known more commonly in al Hijaz as ruzz bukhari), red rice with chicken/meat. Or saleeg, a hijazi dish, another type of creamy rice, cooked in a similar way to rice pudding only slightly different and not sweet.

How about sweets? Baqlawa of course I'm sure you're familiar with. In fact we call them Halawiyyaat Shaamiyyah : D.

Kheyr sis, insha'Allah another chance will come up some day smile.gif.
aras
Assalamu alaikum,

Yeah of course I know Maraya...lol, but it was better when it first came out, now its just lame. Plus Yassir is getting a little too old to act. All these shows the funny ones, like Maraya, Tash Ma tash, etc were much better when they first came out.

Yeah my dad loves Tash Ma Tash, lol. I agree with you, it is silly. Sometimes its funny. Do you know 3amma alwan? the one about the ugly blind guy who has two kids, and he marries a second wife. My dad loves it...its ok I guess, kind of silly though.

I'm not sure about the hijazi accent, but I'm sure I'll recognize it if I hear it. Do you guys say bayzat=money (we say massarri), maynoona=crazy woman (we say majnooneh, I guess you guys generally keep the 'j' silent, right?). I love learning new Arabic accents...so interesting.

I love saudi food! Its yummy, lots of rice and meat. I tried kabseh (I can make it), and this one dish my mom makes called makboos (or mashboos) its sooo good.

As for sweets, yeah I love bi2lawa (baklava) my dad makes killer baklava, people always ask him to make it for weddings and stuff. Have you tried knafa or kunafa? Thats all I like from Arabic sweets; bi2lawa and knafa. I'm more into western sweets.
Amatullah
Assalaamu 'Alaykum

No I don't know the 3amma alwan one...
Yes I agree, they used to be better, now they're just silly. Like they're trying too hard to amuse.

Most likely the dialect you hear in most of the Saudi musalsalaat you've watched aren't hijazi, but najdi. Najdi is what ahl al Riyadh speak, like in Tash Ma Tash. Like ''Wish itsawween?'' for ''What are you doing?'' And ''eeH'' for ''yes'', and ''wishu?'' for ''what?''. But hijazi is different. We'd say ''Eesh bitsawwi?'', ''eewah'' and ''eesh''.
I've never heard of the term bayzat. We say fuloos. And it's Kuwaitis who keep the 'j' silent, but in all Saudi dialects the 'j' is pronounced, so we'd say majnoonah too.
Yeah, there are so many Arabic dialects. It's interesting learning about them, but at the same time it's annoying that there are so many different dialects, it makes you wish we were all still just speaking fus7a - fus-ha (proper ''classical'' Arabic) again.

I don't know makboos. I just asked my mum and apparently it's a Riyadhi aklah/dish soo yeah tongue.gif.

I've tried kunafa, it's common here. I only like the gishtah (cream) one though, not the jubnah (cheese) or mouz (banana) one. But even the gishtah one I'm not all that much into except when it's really sweet and the cream is...creamy. Lol. Have you tried labaniyyah before? It's a hijazi sweet, Makkaawi (from Makkah) to be exact. It's made from milk powder and sugar. I think that's it. It doesn't sound like much, but it's good. And very fatty biggrin.gif. Also 7alawa tahiniyyah. It's basically a sweet type thing made from tahinah.
But yes, I generally prefer Western sweets too, cakes, cookies, muffins and all hehe.
aras
Assalamu alaikum,

Yeah imagine us going around saying: kayfa 7aluki al-youm ya ukhti? hal anti bekhayr? I tried to talk only fus7a with my friends once, it only lasted a few days. fus7a is beautiful, Arabic is beautiful there is no better language in the world.

Yeah I guess it is najdi that I hear on tv, but I do hear 'eesh bitsawwi' sometimes... thanks for pointing out the difference, I'll watch out for it on tv. You never heard 'bayzat' they say it all the time on tv. Yeah most people say fullooss like the masri people... So I guess its the kuwaitis that say 'yaahaal' =children, we say 'awlad'.

kunaffa with mouz? for real? thats just weird, never tried it. We only do it with jibneh or i'shta (or as you say gishta). But the one I like to make is the i'shta one, its so eay to make, and so yummy.
I never tried labaniyyah but it sounds good.

We don't use tahina for sweets, only savoury dishes like humus and certain sauces.
iamcrazy
QUOTE(maismail09 @ Aug 3 2008, 10:44 PM) *
FL!!!!! REP!!


LMAO!!!

Ali moment.

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Amatullah
Assalaamu 'Alaykum

My parents actually wanted to bring me and my siblings up speaking fus7a, but it didn't work : P. We call our parents Ummi and Abi as opposed to Mama and Baba though. When I'm talking to my mum and I'm like 'Ummi...' people are like '...You call your mum Ummi?' like it's wrong or something lol.
Indeed, Arabic (fus7a) is a beautiful language alhamdulillah.

Hm, it's strange that I've never heard ''bayzat''. Maybe it's najdi. Okay I just asked my mum and she said it's Kuwaiti/Najdi. Kuwaitis say ''bayzah''.
Yes the Hijazi dialect is partly influenced by Masri on account of Egypt being only across the Red Sea from us. Us being Jeddah, which is in the Hijaz region.
We say awlaad/3iyaal/al-sughaar (I just realised the translation of which is kind of funny - ''the Small Ones'' lol) and a very Hijazi word for children is ''buzoora'' (as in ''seeds'', because they're small) which I really hate and not everyone uses it, mostly very...Hijazified people lol.

Yeah the gishtah one is the best.

We don't use tahina for sweets either, only for halawa tahiniyyah. The rest is yeah, for humus, mutabbal - something like baba ghannouj except with tahina. Well, one is with tahina and the other is without, can't remember which.

So have you been to any Arab countries other than Syria? I've only been to Egypt and of course, KSA. I really want to visit Syria some day insha'Allah. My grandma often visits; one of her parents is Syrian or something like that. She says it's beautiful.
What do you call your grandparents by the way? In Hijazi we call them Sittu/Sitti for grandma and Seedu/Seedi for granddad. Najdiyyeen call them Jaddati and Jaddi, which is like fus7a.
aras
Wa aliakum assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,

yeah arabic man...its soo deep, like once my dad told me all the arabic words that mean 'love'...he listed at least 15 and each with a meaning stronger than the other. SubhaAllah. How many words do we have for love in english? only love...like, maybe admire.. but those are all weak. It makes you think: Allah (swt) chose this amazing language out of all the rest.

Alhamdillah my first language was Arabic. but I feel that I can express myself better in english. I hate that though... InshaAllah whenever I go to sham I wanna take an intense Arabic course to strengthen my Arabic, I want to be able to pick up an Arabic book of literature or shi3ir (poetry) and understand every word. InshaAllah.

I say momma and baba. and for grandma=taytay ,and grandpa= jiddo. Some syrians, I think the ones from 7alab mostly say 'na na' for grandma.

Yup I've been to sham, and morocco...that's all (unless you count the time our plane stopped in 3aman, jordan)... syria..is...well when we go to sham we just stay with the fam you know? so I've never seen the country really or the main attractions, we get so busy going from one relatives house to the next 3azeemah after 3azeemah you know? But we always eat awesome food, and I love the market-places and shopping there and all the bargaining that goes on:)
But now syria is packed (I haven't been there for ...I think 4 years) ! after so many iraqis moved to sham after the war, and then after what happened in Lebanon so may labanese moved to sham, so the streets are like...super crowded.

Massir seems nice, I wanna see the nile and the pyramids some day.

Hey sis, which saudi people do you guys make fun of? You know how every arab country jokes about a certain region. Like in sham everyone jokes about the '7amsies' . All the jokes are about how stupid people from 7amas are (kind of like blond jokes in america). In egypt the joke about the saa3eedis (btw, those sa3eedis talk kind of like you guys, the say 'gaa' instead of 'qaa')

wassalamu alaikum
Amatullah
Assalaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuh


SubhanAllah yes. And like I remember my dad was telling me once different words for camel, each with slightly different meanings. I can't remember them all, but for example one meant just a normal camel, the other meant a traveling camel etc.

Arabic is so expressive, you can get your point across with as little words as possible.

Yes, same. It's my first language and I speak it fluently alhamdulillah but I've lived in England for almost all my life so naturally, but unfortunately, I can express myself better in English. Insha'Allah I hope to improve by reading more Arabic books and literature. I'm not sure if we have Arabic courses here...there must be, but they're probably like 3al mashi. Masha'Allah Syrians are generally known to be good in lugha (language).

Yes, I hope I can be able to do that too insha'Allah. Arabic poetry is so beautiful but because it's fus7a and intense balaaghah (rhetoric) combined it makes it hard to understand, but it's also what makes it so beautiful.


Yeah, like I said I lived most of my life in England so when we used to visit it would mostly be Jeddah where most of the family is, and it would mostly be family gatherings and 3azaayim too, so I haven't been around KSA much either. Other than Jeddah I've only been to Makkah, Madinah. Oh and Riyadh when I was small.

Ah yeah, must be. Allah yikoon fi 3ounahum wu 3ounakum.


I went to Masr when I was small so I can't remember it much. It's nice if you're looking for historical landmarks and things, pyramids, museums and such, but I think ilbalad nafsaha isn't much, wAllahu A'lam.

How's Morocco? A lot of people say it's nice there.

Lol. Well, I don't think there's a specific region that's made fun of, instead certain qabaa'il (tribes)/3awaa2il (families). I won't name any though, because subhanAllah it's not right. I really dislike those types of jokes.

And I didn't know that about the Sa3eedis. I thought all Masriyyeen pronounce the qaaf as a hamza.

BTW, if you had to choose another Arabic dialect to speak in, which would you choose?

aras
Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuh

I bet there are tons of Arabic classes in Jeddah, just ask around I guess. Are there lots of American accredited high schools in Jeddah? I have a friend who graduated from one of them...I can't remeber the name.My friend told me on her grauation day, since the guys and girls were seperate, they wouldn't let her dad come watch the graduation ceremony sad.gif

Jeddah is the looser part of saudi, correct? I mean as far as dress is concerned, you don't have to wear niqab right? I think in medina you have to.

Yeah I heard the same thing about Masir. But they have tons of tourist attractions. Especially in Sharm el-sheikh.

Yeah they jokes are really kind of mean. I know a girl thats blond and 7amsi..lol so she had it baaad. But she is a frikken genuis, so shes always like 'im blond and 7amsi and am not dumb'.

Yeah Im pretty sure about the sa3eedis, thats how they talk, very diff from traditional massris, you know how masris say 'ga' instead of 'ja'...like in gibtaha..instead of jibtaha (you brought it), well sa3eedis don't do that, they say 'ja'.

ummm...Syrian. well, I think the syrian accent kicks butt, I really like it (even though sooo many arabs make fun of it)...but if I had to choose another...hmm thats a really tough question....I don't know, I'll have to think about that one. How about you?

Hey what about palistinian, what do you think of their dialect, oh btw they also differ based on the region....some of them talk very similar to jordanians, but some of them speak with the 'cha' instead of 'ka' like heres an example: cheef 7alich? = keef 7alik?. or for kunafa they say 'chnafa'... I'm serious, lol I used to make fun of it all the time, its too thick.
Silly Billy
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Amatullah
Assalaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuh

Erm, I don't know about the American schools...I don't know much about schools here anyway, just general stuff.
Some British/American schools are mixed though. At least, as far as I know. But all other schools are seperate - girls' schools and boys' schools. And about the graduation ceremony, yeah the fathers don't attend, which is a shame but also a good thing I guess because otherwise we'd all have to be wearing hijabs on our graduation ceremony under our hats. I'd feel more comfortable with no men around.

I guess you could say that. Sometimes a bit ''loose'' in the wrong way IMO. About the niqab, I'm not 100% sure but I don't think you have to wear it anywhere in KSA, just that in some areas it's looked down upon to not wear it, or just that the majority of women wear it. Like in Riyadh, you don't have to wear it, but most people do. In Jeddah I guess you could say it's half-half, some women wear it and some women don't.
In Madinah you don't have to. When I went to Madinah I saw girls with just hijab in the Haram. Actually I saw girls with make-up and some hair showing too, in nearby hotels and all. May Allah forgive them and guide them.

Lol about your friend.

I was going to say if I had to choose another accent it would be Syrian. It's the ahwan one and I actually like it. Not the really strong Syrian dialects, just the normal one you hear on TV. Eh lak foot lashoof, foot! tongue.gif

The ''normal'' Palestinian accent is okay, but like you said, the 'ch' one is too thick, 3ifish.

You know what accent I dislike? The Libnaani accent. It's not that bad in itself but I don't know, the way it's spoken...''Shoo hAYda?'' like all dala3 : P.
aras
Wa alaikum assalam wa ra7matullahi wa barakatuhu,

Interesting about the graduation ceremony...I didn't know you guys would not be wearing hijab (my friend didn't mention that), ok well that makes sense. I graduated from an Islamic School (mixed) so we wore hijab in our grad...yes, even under those funky hats. It doesn't look that bad actually.

Oh, ok I just thought medina you had to, my friend's been there so many times and she said there are like these guys, gaurds or something, that yell at you if you don't wear your niqab lol. She said its kinda freaky. But yeah maybe its not a rule, maybe its just kind of a given that you should.

Yay syrian!! lol, think I'd have to agree. I like it because its so khafeefeh and na3meh, yet when a man speaks syrian it doesn't sound too na3meh for them. When I'm mad, I always switch to shami, cuz theres so much you can say like "yib3atlak 7ima inshaAllah" lol.

Oh and your worst is Lebnaani, thats interesting because a lot of people cant tell the diff between el lahja el-sooriyeh, and el-lahja el-lebnaniyeh. But its a big dif!! and I totally agree it is too mayi3 and too much dala3...especially when you hear lebonese guys...they sound sooo gay..I'm sorry I had to say that smile.gif "Shoo hayda" ...'"3an jaad bit 3a2id". I think it suites them though somehow. But I still think moroccan is by far the most repulsive...omg...it just sounds wrong, you know what I mean?
Amatullah
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Yeah, I just meant that generally you can act more freely with no men around.

Oh, the Hay2a (the religious police) I think she means. They're not just in Madinah, they're in all cities. They sometimes go around telling women to cover their faces (even though it's not wajib, but you know how there are differences in opinion), telling young guys who are hanging around in the streets during salah time to go pray etc. Their job is basically to i2mur bilma3roof and yanhu 3an il munkar (how would you say that in English?) and it's a good idea, having a group of people to do that, but some of them don't always do it billati hiya a7san/in the most tactic way smile.gif (like in your friend's case). So you often hear a lot of negativity towards them.
But yeah, you don't have to wear niqab in Madinah, because even here if you encounter the Hay'a they sometimes might tell you to cover, it doesn't mean that you have to.

Lol, but yes unfortunately much of our insulting involves sabb/cursing. ''Yikhrib beitak''/''Allah yakhdak''/''3ama fi albu''. And I don't why people sometimes, instead of cursing the person himself, they curse his parents astaghfirullah. Don't people realise that the du'aa' can actually be mustajab/answered or that it can go back to the curser himself? My teacher used to say that if she would get angry at anyone, to stop herself from cursing them, tisubb ilyahood instead. Why the need for cursing anyway?? Lol.

No, my worst isn't Libnaani, it's just one of the accents I don't like, but it's the least bad from the ones I dislike...if that makes sense. My worst is probably maghrabi too.
aras
Assalamu alaikum,

ukhti sho ra2yik inno, we continue this convo via private messages since no one else is really participating? lol, its like we are having a convo b/w ourselves except the whole world is observing smile.gif
maismail09
such long posts o.o ima live there one day inshAllah smile.gif
Binty
QUOTE(aras @ Aug 9 2008, 05:09 PM) *
Assalamu alaikum,

ukhti sho ra2yik inno, we continue this convo via private messages since no one else is really participating? lol, its like we are having a convo b/w ourselves except the whole world is observing smile.gif


Wa alaikum salaam

Lol, don't worry about it, we learn a lot about the the arab culture, it's fascinating. Anyhu Amatullah and I give each other an ear full about each other's culture either way (food tongue.gif) Go ahead girls but this has been a good thread smile.gif

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such long posts o.o ima live there one day inshAllah


Which part of the region Ali? lol
muslimteacher
I'm from Algeria...north africa...I like ur conversation...since it tells a lot about arab culture...I may go to KSA for work in the near future...will ask you Amattullah some questions in due time...

Wasalamou alaikum
Dana1123
Assalamu alaikum!

I am from Lebanon!! Anybody else here from Lebanon? I see Syrians...any Palestinians? lol or Lebanese? smile.gif
adlene
QUOTE(aras @ Jul 27 2008, 02:47 AM) *
Assalamu alaikum,
hey I was wondering if I'm the only mid-eastern on this forum. I was born and raised in the States, but I'm originally Syrian. Anyone from bellad al-sham (syria, lebenon, jordan, palestine, or iraq)?

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I am from Algeria and I would say 'marhaba' you are not lonely since there is lot of Muslims.
and I would say also I love Syrian peoples for their kindheartedness. tongue.gif
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adlene
QUOTE(Amatullah @ Aug 8 2008, 09:55 AM) *
Assalaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuh


SubhanAllah yes. And like I remember my dad was telling me once different words for camel, each with slightly different meanings. I can't remember them all, but for example one meant just a normal camel, the other meant a traveling camel etc.

Arabic is so expressive, you can get your point across with as little words as possible.

Yes, same. It's my first language and I speak it fluently alhamdulillah but I've lived in England for almost all my life so naturally, but unfortunately, I can express myself better in English. Insha'Allah I hope to improve by reading more Arabic books and literature. I'm not sure if we have Arabic courses here...there must be, but they're probably like 3al mashi. Masha'Allah Syrians are generally known to be good in lugha (language).

Yes, I hope I can be able to do that too insha'Allah. Arabic poetry is so beautiful but because it's fus7a and intense balaaghah (rhetoric) combined it makes it hard to understand, but it's also what makes it so beautiful.


Yeah, like I said I lived most of my life in England so when we used to visit it would mostly be Jeddah where most of the family is, and it would mostly be family gatherings and 3azaayim too, so I haven't been around KSA much either. Other than Jeddah I've only been to Makkah, Madinah. Oh and Riyadh when I was small.

Ah yeah, must be. Allah yikoon fi 3ounahum wu 3ounakum.


I went to Masr when I was small so I can't remember it much. It's nice if you're looking for historical landmarks and things, pyramids, museums and such, but I think ilbalad nafsaha isn't much, wAllahu A'lam.

How's Morocco? A lot of people say it's nice there.

Lol. Well, I don't think there's a specific region that's made fun of, instead certain qabaa'il (tribes)/3awaa2il (families). I won't name any though, because subhanAllah it's not right. I really dislike those types of jokes.

And I didn't know that about the Sa3eedis. I thought all Masriyyeen pronounce the qaaf as a hamza.

BTW, if you had to choose another Arabic dialect to speak in, which would you choose?

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Amatullah, I have been told – I am not accurate - that English count more than 180 000 words, French more than 120 000 words. But Arabic count …. Do you know ?





More than 10 000 000 !!!.

For the lion we have about 500 names, for the eagle we have about 300 names …

Arabic is so far from any other language, I can read and taste poem in French and English but Arabic is really elegant than any other languages.

Concerning Arabic poetry learning don’t say it is difficult to learn but say I need time to master it , as Elmutanabee -- says : tiny stuffs seem colossal to tiny personality however colossal one seem tiny to colossal personality - bad translation, I know but I hope you understand the meaning-. And I advice you to learn El3ekd Elfarid book it is a good starting point for the Arabic poetry.



Finally good luck
adlene
QUOTE(Amatullah @ Aug 8 2008, 09:55 AM) *
Assalaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuh


SubhanAllah yes. And like I remember my dad was telling me once different words for camel, each with slightly different meanings. I can't remember them all, but for example one meant just a normal camel, the other meant a traveling camel etc.

Arabic is so expressive, you can get your point across with as little words as possible.

Yes, same. It's my first language and I speak it fluently alhamdulillah but I've lived in England for almost all my life so naturally, but unfortunately, I can express myself better in English. Insha'Allah I hope to improve by reading more Arabic books and literature. I'm not sure if we have Arabic courses here...there must be, but they're probably like 3al mashi. Masha'Allah Syrians are generally known to be good in lugha (language).

Yes, I hope I can be able to do that too insha'Allah. Arabic poetry is so beautiful but because it's fus7a and intense balaaghah (rhetoric) combined it makes it hard to understand, but it's also what makes it so beautiful.


Yeah, like I said I lived most of my life in England so when we used to visit it would mostly be Jeddah where most of the family is, and it would mostly be family gatherings and 3azaayim too, so I haven't been around KSA much either. Other than Jeddah I've only been to Makkah, Madinah. Oh and Riyadh when I was small.

Ah yeah, must be. Allah yikoon fi 3ounahum wu 3ounakum.


I went to Masr when I was small so I can't remember it much. It's nice if you're looking for historical landmarks and things, pyramids, museums and such, but I think ilbalad nafsaha isn't much, wAllahu A'lam.

How's Morocco? A lot of people say it's nice there.

Lol. Well, I don't think there's a specific region that's made fun of, instead certain qabaa'il (tribes)/3awaa2il (families). I won't name any though, because subhanAllah it's not right. I really dislike those types of jokes.

And I didn't know that about the Sa3eedis. I thought all Masriyyeen pronounce the qaaf as a hamza.

BTW, if you had to choose another Arabic dialect to speak in, which would you choose?

sl.gif

Amatullah, I have been told – I am not accurate - that English count more than 180 000 words, French more than 120 000 words. But Arabic count …. Do you know ?





More than 10 000 000 !!!.

For the lion we have about 500 names, for the eagle we have about 300 names …

Arabic is so far from any other language, I can read and taste poem in French and English but Arabic is really elegant than any other languages.

Concerning Arabic poetry learning don’t say it is difficult to learn but say I need time to master it , as Elmutanabee -- says : tiny stuffs seem colossal to tiny personality however colossal one seem tiny to colossal personality - bad translation, I know but I hope you understand the meaning-. And I advice you to learn Djawahar Eladab book, it is a good starting point for the Arabic poetry.



Finally good luck
i_zaki
palestinian and proud!



also australian, lebanese, french...

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immaslapyou
I have Lebanese and Yemeni in me. and proud! tongue.gif
i_zaki
yemeni? ohmy.gif
that's pretty cool-i barely know any yemeni ppl

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Dana1123
This is so nice, to meet people from different Middle Eastern countries, what countries have you all visited? What would you say your favorite would be? I have to say that Lebanon is my favorite, however Jordan and Syria are next..
i_zaki
palestine all the way!
did u know that if palestine hadn't been occupied it would have been a beautiful place

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Masterx
sl.gif, im from iran .
gald to meet you guys
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