there is a topic about Shabay Bharat in the united forum: http://muslimonline.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=6269 .
iamcrazy had this quote from somewhere.

Hadhrat Ali (R.A) narrates that the holy Prophet Muhammad
(sallallahu-alayhi-wasallam) said:


I have a few complications in my head. I would like some people to solve them for me.

1. It says on this day Allah descends to the nearest heavens. Isn't Allah everywhere? why would He have to move?
2. Isn't our fate decided while we are in our wombs. I thought our entire life is recorded then. There is a line from Muslim hadith that says the following:

Assalamu Alaikum bro,

good questions.. I was wondering the same thing about this 'shabay barat' thing, just smelled kinda fishy to me...idk..plus keekee confirmed that hadith is very daeef= weak. There is a hadith that I know is sahih that mentions that Allah comes down to the lowest heaven on the last third of every night and asks 'who will ask for forgiveness' etc, I will find it and post it inshaAllah. So that makes me think...well what makes this shabay barat day more special than every other night?

1) bro Allah is not everywhere...this concept is of the suffis (who believe, from what I understand, that God is everywhere thus in all His creations)...

bro, Allah swt is where He always was before He created everything: beyond/outside the universe, above the seven heavens.

"And He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days -and His Throne was upon the water -that He might try you, which of you is best in deeds."
ayah 11:7

"The angels and the spirit ascend unto Him in a Day the measure whereof is as fifty thousand years:"
ayah 70:4

"He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days and then rose (Istawa) over the Throne. He knows what goes into the earth and what comes forth from it, and what descends from the heaven and what ascends thereto. And He is with you wheresoever you may be. And Allah is the All-Seer of what you do."
ayah 57:4

" I will take you and raise you to Myself." (referring to prophet Issa ) ayah 3:55

"Do you feel secure that He Who is over the heaven, will not cause the earth to sink with you, and then it should quake" ayah 67:16

so you see all these ayahs, among others I'm sure, confirm Allah being beyond and above.

2) yup true, all is decided in the womb of the mother: who we will marry, how many kids we will have, how and when we will die, everything.

wa Allahu a3lam,

Actually, when I read those lines they talk about rising humans up to the heavens, not having Allah come down.

For example, when it says that angels ascend unto him that doesn't mean that Allah is only in the place where they went. It could mean that in the place they went there is only Allah and the angels, and not all the souls of the earth.

I interpret all the lines you gave as humans leaving humanity to be one on one with Allah.

Here is a line that I believe argue Allah being everywhere:



But then again, if Allah is not a physical entity, can he actually be everywhere or anywhere? Maybe Allah is everywhere, nowhere, and somwhere at the same time.
Or maybe this topic about Allah is beyond humans understanding..

bro, those verses show Allah being above, why would the angels have to go up to Him, why would Allah (swt) say He is above the heavens? If Allah (swt) is everywhere, then is He in the places of filth? istakhfirillah. Bro, believing that Allah (swt) is in everything will lead to idolatry and even self worship...if Allah is in us then do we worship ourselves? subhanaAllah.

Allah is in His place, beyond His creation and universe. All ayahs refer to Allah (swt) in a higher place.

True bro, Allah 3azza wajjal specifically mentions in the Qur'an that we not ask too many of these detailed question for it will lead us to shirk. Its important to note however that Allah does not need to be among or even in his creation for Him (swt) to control them. He is all-powerful, beyond any power we can even envision.

As for that ayah, w/o even reading any translations waAllahu a3lam, this means that if they had taken any God beside Allah, if they had believed in any God beside Allah (swt)..as is committing shirk.

bro please explain to me this concept of becoming one with Allah ?
waAllahu a3lam

Are you supposed to fast on shabay barat? .....i didn't know that

lol aww dont worry. The hadith which states it is weak so people only fast because fasting on the 13th, 14th and 15th of each month is commendable anyway.

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1. It says on this day Allah descends to the nearest heavens. Isn't Allah everywhere? why would He have to move?

Is Allah (swt) everywhere?

Quran:-

[67:16]
Have ye taken security from Him Who is in the heaven that He will not cause the earth to swallow you when lo! it is convulsed ?

[67:17]
Or have ye taken security from Him Who is in the heaven that He will not let loose on you a hurricane ? But ye shall know the manner of My warning.



Hadith:-

Abdullah ibn Amr ibn Al-As related that the Messenger said, "Allah grants mercy to the merciful. Be merciful to those who are on the earth, (then) He Who is fis-Sama (above the heavens) will be merciful to you." [Abu Dawood & At-Tirmidhi]



Allah (swt) Is described as [24:35]…Light of the heavens and the earth…Light upon light… in the Quran. Think of a lit candle, the flame of the candle itself is in one place but the light of the flame is going to face all four directions north, south, east and west. The light is everywhere but the flame itself is in one spot. Now if this physical light spreads in all four directions and not just one Allah's light, "the light of the heavens and the earth"…"light upon light" is everywhere but Allah (swt) himself is above the heavens. He himself is somewhere but his presence is everywhere.
Well this is what i believe anyway...
Peace!

http://www.marifah.net/index.php?option=co...6&Itemid=47

Your first 2 lines say He is in Heaven. the 3rd says he is above Heaven.
This line says that he is in the Heavens and Earth:

Also, in this line Allah says he is closer to you than your veins:

That is why I was making the argument that he might be everywhere and nowhere at the same time.

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Your first 2 lines say He is in Heaven. the 3rd says he is above Heaven.

oops sorry... Who is fis-Sama (above the heavens) its ment to be in. Fi means in.
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With the Ayahs you mentioned i take it as his presence being everywhere.

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That is why I was making the argument that he might be everywhere and nowhere at the same time

not everywhere and no where cant be no where because he is everywhere... everywhere but somewhere... i don't know, i guess its beyond us.

Z.A link is pretty good.