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Nafs-az-Zakiyah
When Abu Bakr ra.gif became Calipah, Abu Sufyan came to Imam Ali AS.gif and inquired why in his presence the caliphate is being assigned to a junior tribe. He requested Imam Ali AS.gif to extend his hand for taking allegiance, and if people opposed him, he would post a huge contingent of soldiers and horsemen in Madinah for his support. Imam Ali AS.gif replied " Abu Sufyan, you are always in pursuit of inflicting harm to Islam. I do not your require counsel and admonition. We have selected Abu Bakr ra.gif as calipah finding him most competent.








(Tabari vol. 3, p 202)

Moostee
brother nafs - what is your view on Abu Sufyan.

He was a sahaba right as he declared the kalema.... why have you not added 'ra' after his name?

Nafs-az-Zakiyah
I don't think he was a good person. Also, after the Prophet's (sawas) era he went and kicked Hz Hamza's ra.gif grave.
The great sufi scholar Pir Mehr Ali Shah Sahib ra.gif quotes
Imam Ali AS.gif saying " o abu sufyaan you are an enemy of Islam and all you want is to destroy Islam"
This is found in
'maqalaat' in the article on the bayah of hazrat al-Siddeeeq ra.gif
Moostee
shias believe too that he kicked the grave of hz hamza AS.gif but was not sure if this is preached from the mimbar in sunni mosques too.

so would you class him then as one of the hypocrites that allah is talking about in chapter 63 of the quran or is hypocrite too much of a strong term for him?


we are both amongst the fortunate muslims who are encouraged to learn the truth about the umayyads.

btw i posted a lecture on the philosophy of hiding imam Hussains shahadat by shakyh ninowy in the shia corner - if you havent already heard it - i strongly urge you to do so.

Nafs-az-Zakiyah
QUOTE(Moostee @ Nov 4 2008, 06:07 AM) *
so would you class him then as one of the hypocrites that allah is talking about in chapter 63 of the quran or is hypocrite too much of a strong term for him?

He was a kaffir when that verse was revealed. . I personally don't like to use labels. Let's just say there are better way to express the truth.


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we are both amongst the fortunate muslims who are encouraged to learn the truth about the umayyads.

Islam is an open source religion. Its up to people to spend their time wisely.


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btw i posted a lecture on the philosophy of hiding imam Hussains shahadat by shakyh ninowy in the shia corner - if you havent already heard it - i strongly urge you to do so.

Jazakallah ! Mufti Ghulaam Rasool from England has written a biography on Imam Hassan AS.gif, Hussain AS.gif, Zain ul Abideen AS.gif, Baqir AS.gif and Jafar AS.gif. Now his students are working on English translations.
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