Assalam!

I have one very simple question, was Muhammad really the last Prophet and where do you find support for this statement?

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La hawla wa la quwwata illa billah (There is no power or glory except for God)


033-040. Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Apostle of Allah and the Last of the prophets; and Allah is cognizant of all things.

Assalamu Alaikum:

You are muslim and do not know this answer? Surely if ALlah said it, we should believe even if we do not have an answer.

Prophet Muhammad is " The Seal of the Prophets" : (خاتم اﻟﻨﺒﻴﻴﻦ‎ Khātim an-Nabiyīn). The seal meaning "last" there is no more after him. The election of another prophet will not happen according to Allah.

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YUSUFALI: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

2. There are then altogether three grades of prophecy, that of the nabi, the rasul and the ulu'l-'azm. The Prophet was at once a nabi, a rasul and an ulu'l-'azm and brought the cycle of prophecy to a close. After him there will be no new Shari'ah or Divine Law brought into the world until the end of time. There are to be no revelations [wahy] after him, for he marks the termination of the prophetic cycle [da'irat al-nubuwwah].

HADITH:

3.Ibn Kathir, who has written his commentary only on the basis of the Holy Prophet’s traditions, writes:

"This verse of Khatam an-Nabiyyin is clear proof that no prophet will come after him..."

4. "It is reported from Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him), that the Messenger of Allah (may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), said: My likeness and the likeness of the prophets before me is the likeness of a person who built a house, made it beautiful and made it complete, except the place of a stone in the corner. So people began to go round and to wonder at him and say: Why have you not placed this stone? He (i.e., the Holy Prophet) said: I am that stone and I am Khatam an-Nabiyyin (the Seal of the Prophets)". (Al-Sahih al-Bukhari, Kitab al-Manaqib, ch. Khatam an-Nabiyyin; Al-Muslim; Tirmidhi, Abwab al-Manaqib, etc.)

5. "The Day of Judgement will not be set up unless some tribes of my Ummah have joined the polytheists and unless they have started worshipping idols. And surely there shall be among my followers thirty liars, everyone of them asserting that he is a prophet, but I am Khatam an-Nabiyyin (the Seal of the Prophets). There is no prophet after me." (Al-Sahih al-Bukhari, Kitab al-Tauhid; al-Muslim, Abwab al-Fitan; Al-Darmi; Ibn Majah)

6."It is reported from Sa’d, son of Abi Waqqas, that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), said to Ali: ‘You stand to me in the same relation as Aaron stood to Moses, except that there is no prophet after me." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Muslim, Mishkat al-Masabih, ch. Manaqib Ali)


This is a little bit of information I found. I hope that it helps you to understand clearer, Inshallah.

LADY4

Well I am muslim, but I wouldn't say that Allah has ever said that Muhammad was the last Prophet.

I believe Muhammad is 'The Seal of Prophets', but the translation of this is not the last of Prophets. The words in arabic are 'Khatam al-Nabiyyin', beacuse the word khatam is used with a fatha (a stroke above t). If the word had been used with a kasra, (a stroke below t) then the word would have been khatim, which means 'the last one'.

"After him there will be no new Shari'ah or Divine Law brought into the world until the end of time." This would be the correct interpretation of 'The Seal of Prophets' as I understand it, beacuse the Qur'an is indeed the final message. The first hadith NOSHADYLADY4 posted is a perfect example of this. The house mentioned in the hadith can be described as a metaphor for God's message to mankind. Muhammad came with the final message and therefore he made the house beautiful and complete. However, this cannot possibly mean that Muhammad was the last Prophet, beacuse we have been promised by Allah and the Prophet himself that The Messiah would come in the latter days. If The Messiah was to come after Muhammad , then how is Muhammad the last of Prophets?

Wallahu A'lam
Wassalam

Did you not understand ALLAH in this ayat?:
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YUSUF-ALI: "Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things."

I spoke with my sheik and he said that this is the corect meaning as it is and the words "khatim/khatam" means the last (of anything) [The words khatam al-nabiyyin and khatim al-nabiyyin means the last of the prophets, for both the words khatam and khatim mean the last portion of anything.]

The last divine message that will be sent to the world is the Qur'an Al Karim. This is only part of the Mother Book which is with Allah. It will be preserved by Allah and there will be no more divine books handed down to mankind.



Ahki, Prophet Isa has already came with his message for the people. He will not be bringing a new message, but will refute several things that has caused problems, the cross and the pig.

QUR'AN:
Sura 43:61-62, "And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me [Allah]: this is a Straight Way. Let not the Evil One hinder you: for he is to you an enemy avowed. When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: "Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah and obey me." [HE WILL BE A SIGN, STILL NOT A NEW PROPHET

HADITH:

"By Him in Whose hands is my soul, the son of Mariam( Isa) will return amongst you people as a just ruler." (Sahih al Bukhari)

[HE IS COMING AS A JUST RULER AND NOT AS "ANOTHER" PROPHET. THIS IS HIS SECOND COMING NOT HIS FIRST.]

"How will you be when the son of Mariam descends among you, and he will JUDGE people by the Law of Qur'an? (Sahih al Bukhari)

[HERE, HE WILL COME TO JUDGE BY THE LAW OF QUR'AN, STILL NO NEW PROPHET]

"...just ruler and Imam." [Ibn Majah]

"...will be one of the ten signs signaling the Day of Judgment"[Sahih Muslim]

ALL OF THIS INFO LETS YOU KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE NO NEW PROPHET OR BOOK, MASHALLAH. ISA WILL BE COMING TO FINISH HIS DUTY TO ALLAH, LIVE HIS LIFE AND DIE JUST LIKE ALL OF THE OTHER PROPHETS .

Hope this is clearer, Inshallah!

The words khatam and khatim are two different words with two different definitions. They do NOT mean the same thing. Khatam means Seal, while khatim means the last one or the last person. For example:

KHATAM-AL-AUSIYAA - Seal of advisors. Used for Hadhrat Ali
(Minar Al Hudaa, p. 106)

KHATAM-AL-AULIYAA - Seal of saints. Used for Hadhrat Ali
(Tafsir Safi, Chapter AlAhzab)

KHATAM-USH-SHU'ARAA - Seal of poets. Used for the poet Abu Tamam
(Wafiyatul A'yan, vol. 1, p. 123, Cairo)

KHATAM-AL-KAMAALAAT - Seal of miracles. Used for Muhammad
(ibid, p. 140)

These titles are clear examples of the fact that Seal does NOT mean The last one.


1. Isa died a long time ago. Clear evidence of this can be found in both the Qur'an and several hadiths.

2. Isa was sent only to the jews and his task was to clarify the Torah, not the Qur'an.

3. If Isa was a prophet in his first coming, then he certanily has to be a prophet in his second coming, beacuse as far as I'm concerend, Allah has never taken away prophethood from any of his prophets.

The Holy Prophet said:
"The Mahdi is one of us, from among the people of my household."
(Ahmad and Ibn Majah)
Was Isa from the people of Muhammad's household according to you?

Wallahu A'lam

where did the idea that isa is the mahdi come from? this is something new to me.

First of all, I do not go by my own theories and assumptions. You and others may do this, but the proof is inArabic and the Hadith.

IF Allah said that the Prophet was the last of the Prophets, I have unlimited faith that that is the truth. So I will NOT argue about it being anything different.

Khatam-the word خاتم, which roughly translates to "Seal", is a synonym for آخر, which unambiguously means "Last".

Khatim-the word :
EX:
"Wa bil-kasri khatimu-hum, wa bil-fathi khatamu-hum akhiru-hum."

The Prophet even said:
La nabiyya ba`di, meaning "There is no prophet after me".

EX:
"wal-khatamu min kulli shai-in `aqibatu-hu wa akhiratu-hu ka-khatimati-hi wal-khatamu akhir-il qaum."
meaning:
The khatam of anything is its end (`aqib) and its last part (akhir), as its khatim is, and the last of a people is its khatam.

The Prophet was definately the last of the line of Prophets by ALLAH'S word! I stand by Allah's word with my life! End of this discussion on that!

FYI-Isa is NOT the Mahdi that the Prophet talks of. This man will be from the household of the Prophet (sa), a descendent through Fatimah [Muhammad’s daughter].

Isa will appear AFTER the Dajjal, and after Ya'juj Ma'juj (Gog and Magog).




HADITH:

"Abdullah, Radi-Allahu anhu, narrates that Rasulullah said, 'A man from my household whose name is like mine will take power.' (Tirmidhi)

"Imaam Mahdi will certainly come before the day of Qiyaamat. Rasulullah said, 'Even if there were only one day left for the world, Allah would send a man from amongst us to fill the world with justice, just as it had been filled with oppression and injustice.' (Ahmad)

He is the first of the major signs.
The Mahdi is Islam’s primary messiah figure.
He will be a descendant of Muhammad and will bear Muhammad’s name (Muhammad bin Abdullah).
He will be a very devout Muslim.
He will be an unparalleled spiritual, political and military world leader.
He will emerge after a period of great turmoil and suffering upon the earth.
He will establish justice and righteousness throughout the world and eradicate tyranny and oppression.
He will be the Caliph and Imam (vice-regent and leader) of Muslims worldwide
He will lead a world revolution and establish a new world order.
He will lead military action against all those who oppose him.
He will invade many countries.
He will make a seven year peace treaty with a Jew of priestly lineage.
He will conquer Israel for Islam and lead the “faithful Muslims” in a final slaughter/battle against Jews.
He will establish the new Islamic world headquarters from Jerusalem.
He will rule for seven years (possibly as much as eight or nine).
He will cause Islam to be the only religion practiced on the earth.
He will appear riding a white horse (possibly symbolic).
He will discover some previously undiscovered biblical manuscripts that he will use to argue with the Jews and cause some Jews to convert to Islam.
He will also re-discover the Ark of the Covenant from the Sea of Galilee, which he will bring to Jerusalem.
He will have supernatural power from Allah over the wind and the rain and crops.
He will posses and distribute enormous amounts of wealth.
He will be loved by all the people of the earth.


Read your facts about the 10 Major signs of the Day of Judgment, Ahki! There is nothing according to me, it's all about facts, bro!

That is where you are wrong. Most arabic dictionary will let you know that the word 'khatim' means 'seal'. However, this has been INTERPRETED as 'the last'. This does not mean that 'seal' is a synonym for 'the last'. There is a difference!

If khatam is a synonym for 'the last'. Does this mean that Ali , KHATAM-AL-AUSIYAA (Seal of advisors) was the last of all advisors? Does this mean that Abu Tamam, KHATAM-USH-SHU'ARAA (Seal of poets) was the last of all poets?


I am not so sure about this. You yourself (NOSHADYLADY4 ) quoted the hadith:
"By Him in Whose hands is my soul, the son of Mariam( Isa) will return amongst you people as a just ruler." A just ruler is the same as an Imam.

Other hadiths states:
"It is just possible that he who lives of you might meet Jesus the son of Mary who is the Mahdi and a just judge. He will break the cross and kill the swine..."
(Masnad Ahmad Bin Hanbal, Vol. 2, p. 411)

"There is no Mahdi but Isa."
(Ibn Maja, Bab Shiddatuz Zaman)

"What will be your condition when the son of Mary will descend among you and he will be your Imam from among yourselves." (Bukhari, Kitabul Anbiya, Bab Nazool Isa)

The problem with "so called" muslims odly enough isnt overthinking, its overthinking when your mind is no where near a solution.

خاتم is not a "seal" or the last, its the ring used to stamp and close a letter, which is why the ulema, regard muhammad(SAWS) as the last of the prophets because Allah(SWT) said he is the seal ring which closes the risul, the message.

Last messenger means last revelation, last message. I hope you can understand that.

lailallaha illalah muhammadur rasoolallah
'there is no god but allah and muhammad is his messenger'

the khalima is more than enough proof in my experience & as an adding extras so is the quraans and hadiths so there is no point in debating if the messenger is the last of all prophets.
if Allah has clearly stated in the quran then
Did you not understand ALLAH in this ayat?:
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YUSUF-ALI: "Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things."

also did you not understand the prophet in this ayaah
The Prophet even said:
La nabiyya ba`di, meaning "There is no prophet after me".

the quraan is the only proof i think what you are lacking is faith
and to be a true muslim faith is extremely neccessory and one cannot question Allah (swt) or the prophet muhammad

also NOSHADYLADY qouted enough evidance
which im sure youve examined very well
id suggest for you that you increas your faith imaan iA

What part of "Isa NOT being the Mahdi" did you not understand? I suggest you read the info, "10 Major Signs of the Last Days".

As for me, "IF ALLAH SAID THAT MUHAMMAD IS THE LAST MESSENGER, AND HE DID, THAT IS PROOF ENOUGH FOR ME"!

Exactly ^

i just cannot understand how some people can question Allah (swt)
ontop of that even after going through all the evidence (THE QURAAN) they still have doupts in their mind

same here if Allah (swt)has mentioned so in the Quraan then so be it no arguments are needed there !

Al-Din'As-Darfur said:
Now this is the exact meaning of Khatam al-Nabiyeen (Seal of Prophets). Muhammad was NOT the last messenger, but he was the ring which cloesed THE MESSAGE, beacuse he came with the final law of God i.e. The Qur'an.
Last message does not have to mean last messenger. There can still be clarifications of the message by other messengers, otherwise The Prophet himself would not have told the Sahabas constantly about The Messiah, would he?

The problem with "There is no prophet after me", (which by the way is a hadith, not an ayaah) is that the sentence often is taken out of context, and therefore it causes confusion. The whole hadith says: "Indeed, you are from me in the same position as was Harun from Moses, except that there is no prophet after me."
These words were said to Ali when he was left in command in Madina during the expidition of Tabuk. As you may know, Harun was a Prophet in the absence of Moses. By saying "except that there is no prophet after me" Muhammad only meant that Ali was to obtain a similar rank of leadership as Harun, except Ali would not be a prophet. In fact, in Musnad Ahmad bin Hambal the same hadith has been reported, only with the words "Apart from the fact that you are not a Nabi."

sxx said:
In my opinion, a believer with the most sincere faith is the one who is not afraid to get a deep insight into The Qur'an by discussing, comparing and analysing its content. A believer who chooses to ignore controversial parts of The Qur'an out of fear for confusion is the one who is lacking in faith.

NOSHADYLADY4 said:
What part of the hadiths "There is no Mahdi but Isa."and "Jesus the son of Mary who is the Mahdi" did YOU not understand? Are you saying these hadiths are not worth taking into any consideration at all?

NOSHADYLADY4, I am not sure why you think the 10 Major Signs of the Last Days are relevant to this topic, but please do post them so that I can understand your reasoning.

Cool, since all the other info did not register and the identificatin of the true Mahdi is at stake for you, here goes! Ibn Kathir(RA) quoted the major signs as such:

Major Signs [CAN BE FOUND IN BUKHARI, AHMAD, ALSO]

Although they appear here in no particular order, it is important to point out that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said that these last, major signs will follow each other like pearls falling off of a necklace...


1. Masih ad-Dajjal (The AntiChrist)

2. ***The Mahdi - "The righteous One"[Abu Dawud reported a Hadith from Abd Allah ibn Masud: The Prophet said, Ifthere were only one day left for the world, that day would be lengthened until a man from among my descendants or from among the people of my household, was sent; his name will be the same as my name, and his fathers name will be the same as my fathers name. He will fill the earth with justice and fairness, just as it will have been filled with injustice and oppression. The world will not end until a man of my household, whose name is the same as mine, holds away. ]

This is the Mahdi brother, NOT MASIH JESUS(ISA)( )! NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND?????

3. The appearance of Masih al-Isa (Jesus Christ), the son of Mary ( )
This is his second coming, he is not a new prophet even when he comes during the last days. He is only fulfilling his mission on earth, Ahki!
Jesus( ) will appear himself- to descend during the lifetime of Imam Mahdi . This is his second coming where he will fight the Dajjal and kill him. He will receive revelation about the emergence of the Gog and Magog, he will die and will be buried next to the Prophet .

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims)[b] as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and no-body will accept charitable gifts." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 34, Number 425)[/b]


4. Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog)
5. The destruction of the Kabah and the recovery of its treasure
6. Emergence of the Beast
7. The smoke
8. Three major landslides (one in the East, one in the West, and one on the Arabian peninsula)
9. The wind will take the souls of the believers
10. The rising of the sun from the west
11. The fire will drive the people to their final gathering place
12. (Three blasts of the trumpet (fear & terror, death, resurrection)

* Jahjaan from Qahtaan, from a tribe in Yemen, will rule as the next Khalifa. Muquad, from a tribe of Banu Tamim will also be a deputy.[I need to verify this with the Sunnah in Bukhari]

Now, if none of this still does not ring a bell Ahki, then I suggest that you study a bit harder on the Minor and Major signs of the Last Days. There is NO information that says a new prophet will come after Muhammad( READ ON>>>>>>>>

Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "The Israelis used to be ruled and guided by prophets: Whenever a prophet died, another would take over his place. There will be no prophet after me, but there will be Caliphs who will increase in number." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What do you order us (to do)?" He said, "Obey the one who will be given the pledge of allegiance first. Fulfil their (i.e. the Caliphs) rights, for Allah will ask them about (any shortcoming) in ruling those Allah has put under their guardianship." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 661)

Narrated Jubair bin Mutim:
Allah's Apostle said, "I have five names: I am Muhammad and Ahmad; I am Al-Mahi through whom Allah will eliminate infidelity; I am Al-Hashir who will be the first to be resurrected, the people being resurrected there after; and I am also Al-'Aqib (i.e. There will be no prophet after me)." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 732)

Right, since the point you’re trying to make is that Imam Mahdi and Isa are not the same person, I am going to stick to these two signs.

1. One of the Major Signs of the Last Days is the second coming of Isa . However, clear evidence show that the biblical Isa died a long time ago.

The Holy Qur’an says:

"The Holy Prophet is but a prophet. There have been prophets before him and they had all died. If he also should die or be put to death, would they turn back upon him?" (3:145)

"O Jesus! Indeed I will cause thee to die and exalt thee to Myself, and will clear thee of [the charges of] those who disbelieve, and will place those who follow thee above those who deny thee, until the Day of Resurrection" (3:56)

Evidence from ahadith:

"Once in every year, Gabriel recited the Qur'an to me. This year he recited twice. He also told me that every succeding prophet has lived to half the age of his predecessor. He told me that Jesus, son of Mary, lived to a hundred and twenty years. Therefore, I think, I may live to about sixty years." (Mawahib-ud-duniya by Qastalani, vol. 1 p.42)

Now, when a person has died, he doesn’t come back, does he? The possibility of a literal second coming of Isa is therefore not conceivable. However, this does leave room for a metaphorical second coming of Isa , which leads us to my second point.

2. We have been told that Imam Mahdi and Isa will be the same person. Even though you chose to ignore the hadiths that have been mentioned earlier, I am going to quote them again to prove my point:

"It is just possible that he who lives of you might meet Jesus the son of Mary who is the Mahdi and a just judge. He will break the cross and kill the swine..." (Masnad Ahmad Bin Hanbal, Vol. 2, p. 411)

"There is no Mahdi but Isa." (Ibn Maja, Bab Shiddatuz Zaman)

"What will be your condition when the son of Mary will descend among you and he will be your Imam from among yourselves." (Bukhari, Kitabul Anbiya, Bab Nazool Isa)

This leads us to the conclusion that the Mahdi will be a person, whose coming will also be the metaphorical second coming of Isa .

3. NOSHADYLADY4 said: Let us bear in mind that the mission of Isa had nothing to do with Islam. Both the Qur’an and the Bible confirm the fact that Jesus was a prophet sent to the Jews, and to the Jews only!

“And will make him (Jesus) a Messenger to the Children of Israel…” (3:49)

“And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Torah…” (3:50)

To sum it all up:
1. Isa died ages ago, according to the Qur’an and many hadiths.
2. Isa will/has metaphorically come back in the form of Imam Mahdi.
3. Muhammad was NOT the last Prophet.

Wallahu 'Alam!

Ahk, I am not going to mixing the biblical Jesus with Islam's version. I provided clear evidence that Isa and the Mahdi is two different people.

Whatever Madhab you follow may have this info but I follow all of them and go with the majority. Now IF the Prophet said that the Mahdi would be from his family, and Isa will pray with him, where do you not understand that this will be two people, two seperate entities?

Do you refute what his closest family and companions said?
1.[Hadhrat Ali (R.A.) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, "Even if only a day remains for Qiyamah to come, yet Allah will surely send a man from my family who will fill this world with such justice and fairness, just as it initally was filled with oppression." (Abu Dawood) ]

2. [Hadhrat Abdullah bin Mas'ood (R.A.) says that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, "This world will not come to an end until one person from my progeny does not rule over the Arabs, and his name will be the same as my name." (Tirmidhi)

3. [Hadhrat Abu Saeed Khudri (R.A.) relates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, "Al Mahdi will be from my progeny. His forehead will be broad and his nose will be high. He will fill the world with justice and fairness at a time when the world will be filled with oppression. He will rule for seven years."

Other ahadeeth inform us that:

* He will be tall
* He will be fair complexioned
* His facial features will be similar to those of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam)
* His character will be exactly like that of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam)
* His father's name will be Abdullah
* His mother's name will be Aamina
* He will speak with a slight stutter and occasionally this stutter will frustrate him causing him to hit his hand upon his thigh.
* His age at the time of his emergence will be forty years
* He will receive Knowledge from Allah.

4. Do you think his wife would lie?
[Hadhrat Umme Salmah (R.A.) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, " After the death of a Ruler there will be some dispute between the people. At that time a citizen of Madina will flee (from Madinah) and go to Makkah. While in Makkah, certain people will approach him between Hajrul Aswad and Maqaame Ibraheem, and forcefully pledge their allegiance to him.

Thereafter a huge army will proceed from Syria to attack him but when they will be at Baida, which is between Makkah and Madina, they will be swallowed into the ground.

On seeing this, the Abdaals of Shaam as well as large numbers of people from Iraq will come to him and pledge their allegiance to him. Then a person from the Quraish, whose uncle will be from the Bani Kalb tribe will send an army to attack him, only to be overpowered, by the will of Allah. This (defeated) army will be that of the Bani Kalb. Unfortunate indeed is he who does not receive a share from the booty of the Kalb. This person (Imam Mahdi) will distribute the spoils of war after the battle. He will lead the people according to the Sunnat and during his reign Islam will spread throughout the world. He will remain till seven years (since his emergence). He will pass away and the Muslims will perform his Janazah salaat." (Abu Dawood) ]

According to a Hadeeth, Sayyidena Eesa (Jesus)(A.S.) will lead the Janaazah of Imam Mahdi (A.S.).

**The Prophet (PBUH and HF) said: The Mahdi will be of my family, of the descendants of Fatimah (the daughter of the Prophet (PBUH)).

References:

Sunan Abu Dawud, English version, Ch. 36, Tradition #4271 (narrated by Umm a, the wife of the Prophet)
Sunan Ibn Majah, v2, Tradition #4086


SO HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU COME UP WITH ISA BEING THE MAHDI?

WHETHER LITERAL OR METAPHORICAL, THERE IS ISA AND THERE IS IMAM MAHDI, TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE! THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT JESUS WILL COME IN THE FORM OF THE MAHDI, AHKI!

FYI-ISA IS NOT OF THE HOUSEHOLD OF THE PROPHET, AHKI! HIS MOTHER WAS MARYAM(RA). THE MAHDI'S MOTHERS' NAME WAS AMINAH ALSO.

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My apologies for being unclear! By saying the biblical Jesus I only meant the Jesus that lived 2000 years ago. In any case, the Bible does not differ from the Qur’an regarding the task of Jesus. The Scriptures are clear in proclaiming the fact that Jesus was a prophet within the Jewish fold. Jesus came to clarify the message of the Torah. Please explain to me how it is possible for a prophet who was sent to the Jews, to all of a sudden come back and preach to the Muslims? The holy Qur’an had not even been revealed during the time of Jesus. The holy Prophet had not even been born during the time of Jesus, so how on earth is Jesus supposed to even know about the religion of Islam?

Surely if you choose to go by this hadith only then yes, the Mahdi and Isa may be considered as two different people. BUT, there are other important hadiths that need to be taken into account. Why? Because there are hadiths that tell us otherwise, some of which I’ve already presented TWICE. Since there is no contradiction in the hadiths (or the Qur’an), it is our duty to read different hadiths and compare them and analyse them, in order to understand the full context!

Answer me this, Isa is dead (as already presented), so how is it possible for him to come back to this earth?

Ahki, you must go to the history of the Major signs of the last days to get the total explanation, that is too large to post here. Whatever sect of Islam you follow may believe that Isa is the Mahdi. Many will disagree with you. Have you truly read the Major signs and its history???hmmm

Isa was sent the the lost sheep of Isreal-the Jews. The Jews did not accept him. And you wonder why he will come to the muslims!!hmmm Only Allah knows exact the reason why.

PLEASE DO READ BEFORE I GO ANY FURTHER:

II. Hadhrat Isa's (A.S.) Descension The Physical Features of Hadhrat Isa (A.S.)
He will resemble the famous Sahabi (A.S.) Hadhrat Urwa bin Masoodi (R.A.). He will be of average height and red and white in colour. His hair spread to the shoulders, straight, neat and shining as after a bath. On bending his head, it will seem as if pearls are falling. He will have an armour on his body. He will be wearing two pieces of cloth light yellow in color.

[b]His Descension [/b]
He will descend on a Jamaat (group) that will be righteous at the time and comprising of 800 men and 400 women. The people will be preparing for war at the time against Dajjal (the anti-Christ). It will be time for Fajr prayers, and Imam Mahdi will be the Amir (leader). From the darkness of the dawn, a sound will suddenly be heard that "one who listens to your pleas has come" -- the righteous people will look everywhere and their eyes will fall on Isa (A.S.). Briefly, at the time of Fajr, Isa (A.S.) will descend. When descending, Isa (A.S.)'s hands will be on the shoulders of two angels (according to another source (Kab Abrar), a cloud will carry him). On their insistence Hadhrat Isa will introduce himself. He will inquire about their enthusiasm and thoughts on Jihad against Dajjal. Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) will descend on the eastern side near the Minaret in Damascus (or in Baitul-Muqaddus by Imam Mahdi). At the time Imam Mahdi will have proceeded forward to lead the Fajr Salaat. The Iqamat of the Salaat would have been said (already recited) and Imam Mahdi will call Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) for Imamat (to lead the prayer), but he (Hadhrat Isa (A.S.)) will instead tell Imam Mahdi to lead the prayer since the Iqamat of that Salaat has already been said for him. Thus Imam Mahdi will lead the prayer, and Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) will follow him. After the ruku, he will make this statement: "Allah has killed Dajjal and the Muslims have appeared."

The Killing of Dajjal (anti-Christ) and the Victory of the Muslims

After the completion of Fajr Salaat (congregational dawn prayers), Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) will open the door behind him where Dajjal accompanied by 70,000 Yahudis (Jews) will be. He will indicate with his hand to move away between him (Hadhrat Isa (A.S.)) and Dajjal. Dajjal will then see Hadhrat Isa (A.S.). At that time every Kafir on whom the breath of Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) will reach, will die. His breath will reach up to the distance of his eyesight. The Muslims will then come down from the mountains and break loose on the army of Dajjal. There will be war, Dajjal will retreat, and Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) will pursue Dajjal. Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) will have two flexible swords and one shield with him and with these he will kill Dajjal at the Gate of Hudd. He willl show the Muslims the blood of Dajjal which will get on his shield. Eventually the Yahudis will be selected and killed. The swine will be killed and the cross broken. People will revert to Islam. Wars will end, and people will return to their respective countries. One Jamaat (group) of Muslims will remain in his service and companionship.

Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) will go to Fajr Rawha and perform Haj or Umrah (or both) from there. He will also go to the grave of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) and present his greetings and Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) will reply. People will live comfortable lives. The wall of Yajooj and Majooj (Gog and Magog) will then break.

III. The Blessings of Hadhrat Isa (Jesus) (A.S.)
1 Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) will descend and stay on earth.
2 His descension will be in the last era of the Ummat.
3 He will be a just ruler and a fair judge.
4 His ummat will be the Khalifa (deputies) of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam). 5 He will act himself and instruct others on the Qur'an and Hadith (Shariat/Tradition of Islam).
6 He will lead people in Salaat (Prayer).
7 He will stay on earth for a period of 40 years after descending. The will be the best era of the Ummat after the first era of Islam.
8 Allah will protect his companions from Jahannam.
9 Those who will save the Deen of Islam by associating themselves with Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) will be amongst the most loved by Allah Ta'ala.
10 During this period all other religions and mazhabs besides Islam will perish, hence there will be no kuffaars (non-believers) in the world.
11 Jihad will be stopped.
12 No Khiraaj will be taken.
13 Nor Jizya (protection tax) money from the kafirs (non-believers)
14 Wealth and property will be in surplus to such an extent that there will be no one to accept the wealth of the other (everyone will be independent).
15 Receiving Zakaat (Alms-giving, Charity to poor) and Saadaqa will be discarded (as there will be no poor to receive them!).
16 The people will love the sajda (prostration to God) more than the world and what it consists of.
17 All types of Deeni (religious) and worldly blessings will descend on earth (many halaal (lawful) things will be created).
18 There will be peace, harmony and tranquility during the time of Hadhrat Isa (A.S.)'s stay in the world.
19 There will be no animosity for a period of seven years, even between two persons.
20 All hearts will be free from miserliness, envy, hatred, malice and jealousy.
21 For a period of forty years no one will fall ill or die.
22 Venom will be taken out of all venomous animals.
23 Snakes and scorpions will not harm anyone to the extent that if a child put his hand in its mouth, he will not be harmed.
24 Will animals will not harm anyone.
25 If a man will pass a lion, he will not be troubled or harmed, or even if any girl will open its mouth to test if it will do anything.
26 The camels will graze among lions, cheetahs with cattle and the jackals with goats.
27 The fertility of the land will increase to such an extent that even if a seed is planted in a hard rock, it will sprout.
28 A pomegranate will be so huge that a jamaat will be able to eat it and the people will use its peel as shade.
29 There will be so much barakaat (blessing) in milk that a camel will suffice for a huge jamaat, a cow for a tribe and a goat for a family.
30 In short, life will be most pleasant after the descension of Jesus (A.S.).

His Marriage, Death and Deputies

After his descension on earth, Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) will marry. He will have children, and he will remain on earth 19 years after marriage. He will pass away and Muslims will perform his Janaza Salaat and bury him net to Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam). (Tirmidhi)

IT IS POSSIBLE FOR HIM TO COME BACK TO THE EARTH BECAUSE ALLAH TA'ALA SAID SO! DO YOU NOT BELIEVE THAT ALLAH CAN BRING HIM BACK EITHER? HMMMMM

The truth will always remain the truth, regardless of how many people that agrees with it!
Whenever Allah decides to send a Prophet to a people there is a purpose for it. Each Prophet of Allah has their own special task, their purpose. If they do not fulfill their task, then it means that the purpose of Allah is not fulfilled either. As Muslims we should know that this is not possible, because Allah never fails! In other words if a Prophet is given a certain task then it will most certainly be fulfilled, because it is the will of God. The task of Isa (that lived for 2000 years ago) was to go to the Jews and revive the teachings of the Torah. That was his purpose. Saying that Isa failed to deliver his message to the Jews is like saying that Allah failed to deliver His message to the Jews, which is completely false!

This is your interpretation of what Allah said. What Allah did say is this:

"Until, when death comes to one of them, he says: "My Lord! Send me back, So that I may do good in that which I have left behind!" No! It is but a word that he speaks, and behind them is Barzakh (a barrier) until the Day when they will be resurrected. " (23:99-100)

In another verse the Almighty states:
"And a ban is laid on every town (population) which We have destroyed that they shall not return" (21:95)

Allah does not contradict Himself, nor does He make exceptions. This leads us to the logic conclusion that once a person has died. He can never return and that goes for Isa as well!

The Holy Prophet even said:
"If Moses and Jesus had been alive, they would have had to believe in me and follow me" (Zurqani, vol VI, p.54)

In conclusion,
1. Isa is dead.
2. Isa can never come back.
3. A literal second coming of Isa is impossible.

This is the result of what happens when people do not want to look at the truth.

In other words you are saying that either Allah is lying, the Prophet is lying or both are lying? Astaghfirullah!

What do you not understand about Jesus was NOT dead when he left the world? So these ayat do not apply to him, Ahki! Isa(AS) is not mentioned in any of these ayat. Allah said:

That they said (in boast) "We killed the Messiah Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah"; - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for, of a surety they killed him not.
No, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
(al-Qur'an 4:157-158)

So if Allah raised him up to Himself, Allah also has the power to return him back to the earth. Even if you do not believe, I do and many others do also. I do not believe that you have even read the information on the last days. Not from me but from any other sources. This info is not just for one sect of Muslims and not another.

Show me and others anywhere in Qur'an and Hadith that Isa , mentioned by name, will NOT return to this world in the last days. I need written proof from Hadith and Qur'an and with page numbers to verify.

Also, ask any sheikh or scholar about this and give the proof!

Nowhere in my posts have I ever claimed anything near such a statement. I am only trying to prove the illogicalness about certain interpretations of some verses from the Qur'an and some hadiths. There is a vital difference!

“And he whom We grant long life, We reverse him in creation (weakness after strength). Will they not then understand?” (Al-Qur’an 36:69) According to this verse the older we get, the weaker we get. Now, if Jesus has lived for some 2000 years, how on earth is he supposed to come back and fight the Dajjal as you express it? Will he even have the strength to stand on his two feet or even utter a single word? Does this sincerely make any sense to you?

Now, these are some very interesting verses from the Holy book. We are told that Allah raised Jesus up unto Himself. However, the word raised is not to be taken literary in any sense. The Arabic word used in the verse is rafa’a. The very same word has been used in many other verses, for example:

“Have We not opened your breast for you (O Muhammad). And removed from you your burden. Which weighed down your back. And raised high your fame. So verily, with the hardship, there is relief.” (Al-Qur’an 99:1-5)

These verses verify that the word rafa’a hardly can imply that the fame of Muhammad was literally raised. However, if we use the word exalted, the context becomes much clearer.

“Those Messengers! We preferred some to others; to some of them Allah spoke (directly); others He raised to degrees (of honour); and to Jesus, the son of Mary, We gave clear proofs and evidences, and supported him with the Holy Spirit [Gabriel]…” (Al-Qur’an 2:253)

As you can see the confusion lay in the words that are chosen in some translations of the Qur’an. According to the second verse quoted, Jesus was raised to degrees of honour. Not to the sky, but to degrees of honour. Another word for this would be exalted.

I have showed you in the Qur’an and Ahadith that Isa is dead and according to the law of God, a dead man can never come back. If you like, I’d be happy to show you these again.

We both agree on the fact that Jesus was sent to the Jews or “the lost sheep if Israel”, as you yourself expressed it. Now please answer me this, if the Jews were divided into 12 tribes and Jesus only delivered his message to two of these (Bani Israel), when will Jesus finish his mission and preach to the 10 other tribes?

Ya Allah, Is ignorance truly this blissful????

Akhi, Allah is the Creator, He can do anything He wishes, and remember we have only limited knowledge. Our knowledge is so limited it is compared to dipping a needle in the ocean and seeing how many drops will fall from it! We do not know an inkling of what Allah can do! What may be illogical to you is NOT to Allah Akhi!



He will come with the same power that Allah aided with Musa , when the Red Sea was divided, when Nuh was saved from the flood, when Sodom and Gommorah was destroyed, the same power that protected Ibrahim from the fire he was thrown into and the list can go on! I believe that Allah can do anything but fail, but you seem to doubt the abilities of your Creator! Apparenty it does not make sense to you! Jesus was a word, a miracle from Allah, does not Allah have the power to return him as such? Think akhi!

"God will not give the unbelievers any way against the believers" (Qur'an, 4:141). and...

[God said:] "Jesus, I will take you back [mutawaffeeka] and raise you up [wa raafi`uka] to Me and purify you of those who are unbelievers. And I will place the people who follow you above those who are unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection..." (Qur'an, 3:55)[The word here translated as "taking back" is the same as that used in Qur'an 3:55: tawaffaa. Since a person does not actually die during the night, the word yatawaffaa here refers not to death, but to taking the soul at night. If tawaffaa were being used in the sense of death, then that would mean that all people would be biologically dead during sleep. Thus, Jesus (pbuh) would have died every night of his life. Such an assertion is both irrational and illogical. The word mutawaffeeka, in the Arabic text comes from the word tawaffaa, meaning "to take the surrender of" and "take the soul," although here it is used in a figurative sense. Here, it means "relieving from duty."]

HADITH:
Ibn Abi Hatim says that: "My father told us … from Hassan that the meaning of the verse 'Iwill take you back...' is this: Here it means that 'I shall kill you with the death of sleep; in other words, I shall cause you to sleep.' So God raised Jesus (pbuh) to the heavens while he was asleep … As an incontrovertible truth, God caused Jesus (pbuh) to die the death of sleep and then raised him to the sky, rescuing him from the Jews, who were inflicting suffering upon him at the time."

*Imam Ibn Taymiyya opined: The verse "He raised him to His presence" … explains that Jesus (pbuh) was raised in both body and soul.

*In his commentary, Hasan Basri Cantay interpreted raafiu'ka as meaning "raising and lifting up to Himself," and wrote that "God raised and lifted up Jesus (pbuh) in both body and soul."




Where is your true faith Akhi?


1. "Does man think that We cannot assemble his bones"? Nay, We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers." Al-Qiyama: 3-4

2. When Moses killed a man...
72. وَإِذْ قَتَلْتُمْ نَفْساً فَادَّارَأْتُمْ فِيهَا وَاللّهُ مُخْرِجٌ مَّا كُنْـتُمْ تَكْتُمُونَO
72. And when you killed a man then started disputing among yourselves (for its blame), and Allah was to unveil that event which you were concealing.
73. فَقُلْنَا اضْرِبُوهُ بِبَعْضِهَا كَذَلِكَ يُحْيِ اللّهُ الْمَوْتَى وَيُرِيْكُمْ آيَاتِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَO
73. Then We commanded: ‘Strike this (dead body) with a piece of this (cow).’ That is how Allah restores the dead to life (or will give life to the dead on the Day of Resurrection,) and shows you His Signs so that you may apply your knowledge and understanding. [2:72-73]

3. Allah is the giver of life and the taker at death...what more do you need to know?


FYI-The "12 Tribes of Isreal" were the 12 sons of Jacob !
Ther were divided in to 12 nations:

The Eastern Tribes
Judah
Issachar
Zebulun

The Southern Tribes
Reuben
Simeon
Gad

The Western Tribes
Ephraim
Manasseh
Benjamin

The Northern Tribes
Dan
Asher
Naphtali

“The Lost Sheep of Israel”
Jesus was commissioned to the house of Israel. He was commissioned to them, and He was not commissioned to anyone else. Jesus was commissioned to one people only, and they were a people who were lost (Matt.15:24). Furthermore, most shocking of all, this one, lost people to whom Jesus was commissioned to seek and to save (cf Matt.1:21; 2:6; Luke 19:10), remain, as a whole, unsaved!

Jeses did not have time to fulfill his mission to all of Isreal. But Isreal knew he was there for a reason. Thus at his second coming, He will fulfill his mission as planned and will go on to live his life and die.

I have no doubt in the fact that Allah truly is the Almighty and that His knowledge is beyond ours. Nevertheless, let us not forget that we were blessed with the Holy Qur’an, which was filled with divine knowledge and guidance to enlighten mankind. Anyone who reads the holy Book with an open mind will find that several phenomenons and laws of nature have been explained in detail. These are laws that were put up by Allah Himself. It is not logical to think that Allah would break His own laws. I am not saying that He is unable to, but as soon as it is called a law then it has to apply in all cases. As soon as an exception is made it can no longer be called a law.

Take death as an example. Allah has clearly stated in the Qur’an that every one of us has to die one day:
“Everyone is going to taste death, and We shall make a trial of you with evil and with good, and to Us you will be returned.” (21:35)
"Every soul shall have taste of death; In the end to us shall ye be brought back “ (29:57)
"Truly thou wilt die (one day), and truly they (too) will die (one day)." (39:30)

Now, if I declare that I am sure that all of us surely will die one day, have I questioned the almightiness of Allah? Certainly not! I am only showing my firm belief in that which Allah has already declared Himself! The same goes for the fact that no man can return from death. According to the law of God it is impossible for any man to return from death. It is a law. This means that there can’t be any exceptions, ever!

Basically what you are saying is that Jesus was put to sleep and then raised to heaven? You are saying that Jesus has been alive for some 2000 years and has never tasted death? How would you then explain the following verses and hadiths that say otherwise?

“The Holy Prophet is but a prophet. There have been prophets before him and they had all died…” (3:145)
“And I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them, but since Thou didst cause me to die, Thou hast been the Watcher over them and Thou art Witness over all things.” (4:173)

"Once in every year, Gabriel recited the Qur'an to me. This year he recited twice. He also told me that every succeding prophet has lived to half the age of his predecessor. He told me that Jesus, son of Mary, lived to a hundred and twenty years. Therefore, I think, I may live to about sixty years." (Mawahib-ud-duniya by Qastalani, vol. 1 p.42)
“If Moses and Jesus were alive today, they would have had to believe in me and follow me” (Tafsir Ibn-i-Kasir, vol. 2 p.246)

Here you acknowledge the fact that Jesus was commissioned to the Jews only, yet in older posts you insist that Jesus will come to the Muslims in the latter days. You also acknowledge that Allah is the Almighty and has the power to do whatever He wishes, still you claim that Jesus was unable to finish the work that the Almighty wanted him to finish? Do you realize how contradictious it all sounds?

I do not think you need to worry about my faith. My faith is very firm and sincere. Instead what you should be worried about is trying your hardest to understand the verses from the Qur’an and the hadiths that has been presented to you and not ignore them!

Terrible translating. Probably "Mahdi" in this instance was to mean guide, not Muhammad ibn Ali Askari .



Clearly taken out of some context



no



his task was to reveal the gospel



he has completed his prophethood, which was essentially to reveal the message of God. when he returns, there is no other message to be revealed so he will simply be an imam, not to say that he is no longer a prophet. he is still a prophet because he was born as one, but he was born before Muhammad was. Muhammad was indeed the last of Gods prophets, but not the last to die

Just a bit of Informatiom:
"II. Hadhrat Isa's (A.S.) Descension The Physical Features of Hadhrat Isa (A.S.)

He will resemble the famous Sahabi (A.S.) Hadhrat Urwa bin Masoodi (R.A.). He will be of average height and red and white in colour. His hair spread to the shoulders, straight, neat and shining as after a bath. On bending his head, it will seem as if pearls are falling. He will have an armour on his body. He will be wearing two pieces of cloth light yellow in color.

His Descension
He will descend on a Jamaat (group) that will be righteous at the time and comprising of 800 men and 400 women. The people will be preparing for war at the time against Dajjal (the anti-Christ). It will be time for Fajr prayers, and Imam Mahdi will be the Amir (leader). From the darkness of the dawn, a sound will suddenly be heard that "one who listens to your pleas has come" -- the righteous people will look everywhere and their eyes will fall on Isa (A.S.). Briefly, at the time of Fajr, Isa (A.S.) will descend. When descending, Isa (A.S.)'s hands will be on the shoulders of two angels (according to another source (Kab Abrar), a cloud will carry him). On their insistence Hadhrat Isa will introduce himself. He will inquire about their enthusiasm and thoughts on Jihad against Dajjal. Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) will descend on the eastern side near the Minaret in Damascus (or in Baitul-Muqaddus by Imam Mahdi). At the time Imam Mahdi will have proceeded forward to lead the Fajr Salaat. The Iqamat of the Salaat would have been said (already recited) and Imam Mahdi will call Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) for Imamat (to lead the prayer), but he (Hadhrat Isa (A.S.)) will instead tell Imam Mahdi to lead the prayer since the Iqamat of that Salaat has already been said for him. Thus Imam Mahdi will lead the prayer, and Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) will follow him. After the ruku, he will make this statement: "Allah has killed Dajjal and the Muslims have appeared."

His Marriage, Death and Deputies

After his descension on earth, Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) will marry. He will have children, and he will remain on earth 19 years after marriage. He will pass away and Muslims will perform his Janaza Salaat and bury him net to Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam). (Tirmidhi)

Taken from: Hadhrat Esa (Alaihis Salaam): The Truth Revealed
and Major Signs of Qiyamat

Understanding the verses from Qur'an is never hard for me, I have an open mind and believe in what Allah says.

i-struggle:


The scholars reported that he will come in latter days. Qur'an says:
"When Allah said, "'Isa, I will take you back and raise you up to Me and purify you of those who are disbelievers. And I will place the people who follow you above those who are disbelievers until the Day of Rising. Then you will all return to Me, and I will judge between you regarding the things about which you differed." (The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 3, Verse 55)
(The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 5, Verse 73)
"And I will place the people who follow you above those who are disbelievers until the Day of Rising" is as follows: first, it is said that these people are the Muslims who are the only true followers of the authentic teachings of Jesus (pbuh); second, it is said that these people are the Christians, whether or not they hold idolatrous beliefs, and that could be seen to be confirmed by the dominant position that nominal Christians hold on the earth today. However, both positions will be unified by the arrival of Jesus (pbuh), since he will abolish the jizyah, meaning that he will not accept that Christians and Jews live with any other religion than Islam, and so will unite all the believers as Muslims.
The Prophet and last Messenger of Allah (pbuh), has also given the glad tidings of the return of Jesus (pbuh). The scholars of hadith (reports and traditions on the sayings and doings of the Prophet Muhammad) say that the hadiths on this subject, in which Allah's Messenger (pbuh) said that the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) will descend amongst people as a leader before the Day of Judgement have reached the status of mutawatir. That means that they have been narrated by so many people from each generation from such a large group of the Companions that there can be no possible doubt of their authenticity. For example:

Abu Hurairah narrated that Allah's Messenger, peace be upon him, said, "By the One in Whose hand is my self, definitely the son of Maryam will soon descend among you as a just judge, and he will break the cross, kill the pig and abolish the jizyah, and wealth will be so abundant that no one will accept it, until a single prostration will be better than the world and everything in it. (Sahih al-Bukhari)

Jabir ibn 'Abdullah said, "I heard the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, saying, 'A party of my ummah will never stop fighting for the truth victoriously until the Day of Rising.' He said, 'Then 'Isa ibn Maryam, peace be upon him, will descend and their amir will say, "Come and lead us in prayer," but he will say, "No! some of you are amirs over others," as Allah's showing honour to this ummah.'" (Sahih Muslim)

There are many things that may sound contradicting , Akhi, but it is Allah Only Who knows best their meaning.

Muhammad(SAWS) is the Last prophet. Anything on this earth that follows Allah(SWT) truly, will follow his sunnah.

EVEN PAST PROPHETS(ASWS)

Why? Because he(SAWS) is the FINAl LAST SEAL OF The Message Allah has given us.

He's sunnah's existence means nothing else is coming after it.

Learn a bit more about the arabic language before getting into this debate, Pick up a dictionary or something, because you're going into some very dangerous territory in regards to your status as a muslim.

Jazakallahu Khair brother Al-Din'As-Darfur, Yet they will still not believe!

Jesus, (Isaah), already had his time as a Prophet. He is designated to be the one prophet that will come back in the last days to perform a certain duty for Allah. He is not coming back to be a prophet again. He will not live as a man. He has been given a task to complete before he comes back and this task does not require the belief or non-belief from anyone.

@Killed Bill
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the Mahdi and the Guided One the same thing?

Regarding the second hadith, the references are given so please feel free to look the hadith up and show me how it’s been taken out of context.

You agree on the fact that Jesus was a prophet born before Muhammad , right? In verse 145, Al-Imran it says: “The Holy Prophet is but a prophet. There have been prophets before him and they had all died…” Now, if every prophet that lived before Muhammad is dead, wouldn’t that include Jesus?

Sure, Jesus was given the gospel, but his prophethood and the message he was given was a confirmation of the Torah, not the Qur’an!

“And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Torah, and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you, and I have come to you with a proof from your Lord. So fear Allah and obey me.” (3:50)
“And in their footsteps, We sent Jesus, son of Mary, confirming the Torah that had come before him, and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirmation of the Torah that had come before it, a guidance and an admonition for the pious.” (5:46)
“And (remember) when Jesus, son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allah unto you confirming the Taurat [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed. But when he (Ahmed i.e. Muhammad) came to them with clear proofs, they said: "This is plain magic” (61:6)

His task was to reveal the message of God to the Jews, i.e. to clarify the Torah to all 12 tribes of the House of Israel. If Jesus was raised to heaven while he had only revealed his message to 2 of these tribes, then it means that his mission was never completed.

You see the problem is that some translate the title of Khatam al-Nabiyin as “The last of Prophets”. When someone is given the last position, it means that no one can come afterwards. I’ll give you an example. A enters a room and then leaves it. After some time B enters it and leaves it. A couple of minutes later A comes back into the room. Who was the last person in the room? According to chronological order A was the last in the room. It doesn’t make any difference if B was the last to eat in the room, read in the room or whatever. A was still the last person to be in the room. The same goes for the holy Prophet . If Muhammad had been the last of Prophets then it has to mean that he was the last of the Prophets to live on this earth, as well. As we all know, the Qur’an tells us otherwise!

@ NOSHADYLADY4
Let me summarize the first two points I tried to make in my last post, in case you missed them:
1. A law of God has to apply in all cases, that includes Jesus.
2. You claim that Jesus was put to sleep and then raised to heaven. I provided verses from the Qur’an and hadiths that state that Jesus was put to death, and I asked you to explain them.

Allah never contradicts Himself. You on the other hand have made clear contradictions. In most of your posts you stick to the belief that Jesus will come to the Muslims, whereas in one of your recent post you said: “Jeses did not have time to fulfill his mission to all of Isreal. But Isreal knew he was there for a reason. Thus at his second coming, He will fulfill his mission as planned and will go on to live his life and die.”
So let me ask you once and for all, are you referring to the mission of preaching to the 12 tribes of the Jews or not? If yes, then show me references that say that Jesus will continue his preaching to the Jews in his second coming. If your answer is no, do you believe that a mission that the Almighty wanted Jesus to complete can fail?

@AbdullahUS
Has Allah ever taken away prophethood from any of his prophets? If Jesus once was a prophet then he has to be a prophet till the Day of Resurrection too!

I am not sure what you mean by this statement. What exactly do you mean by saying that Jesus won’t live as a man? What task do you believe that Jesus is to complete and how does it not require belief? Kindly explain yourself!

GO BACK AND CHECK THE ORIGINAL POSTED QUESTION

This is a misleading question so...

OHHHH...But I get the angle, sure Jesus will come back as a just ruler, but the same prophet sent earlier to finish his mission. He is no NEW prophet with a NEW religion. I suggets that you really study what you are saying and realize that just because Jesus will return in the last Days, doesn't mean that he will be the new prophet bringing a new message. The spin you are putting in a prophet coming after Muhammad is dangerous and misleading, Akhi!


Allah T’ala says in the Holy Quran,

إِنَّ الدِّينَ عِندَ اللّهِ الإِسْلاَمُ وَمَا اخْتَلَفَ الَّذِينَ أُوْتُواْ الْكِتَابَ إِلاَّ مِن بَعْدِ مَا جَاءهُمُ الْعِلْمُ بَغْيًا بَيْنَهُمْ وَمَن

يَكْفُرْ بِآيَاتِ اللّهِ فَإِنَّ اللّهِ سَرِيعُ الْحِسَابِ

3:19 The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account.

Is Allah a liar to say that Muhammad is the Last of the Prophets? Or are you trying to say an old prophet is coming to fulfill his mission in the lasy days?

The prophets were Adam down to Muhammad . Jesus was after Musa , thus he is NOT A NEW PROPHET COMING! That is why we use HIS RETURN and not just a prophet coming after the Rasulullah. See how the play on words can be confusing especially to the new Muslims?

ABDULLAH-US: Have you never read this Ayah?

"Muhammad is not the father of any one of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Last of the prophets, and Allah is cognizant of all things" " Holy Qur'an (33:40)

Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "The Israelis used to be ruled and guided by prophets: Whenever a prophet died, another would take over his place. There will be no prophet after me, but there will be Caliphs who will increase in number." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What do you order us (to do)?" He said, "Obey the one who will be given the pledge of allegiance first. Fulfil their (i.e. the Caliphs) rights, for Allah will ask them about (any shortcoming) in ruling those Allah has put under their guardianship." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 661)

Narrated Jubair bin Mutim:
Allah's Apostle said, "I have five names: I am Muhammad and Ahmad; I am Al-Mahi through whom Allah will eliminate infidelity; I am Al-Hashir who will be the first to be resurrected, the people being resurrected there after; and I am also Al-'Aqib (i.e. There will be no prophet after me)." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 732)

JESUS WILL BE A JUST RULER: NOT A NEW PROPHET! HE IS ALREADY A PROPHET, AKHI!

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and no-body will accept charitable gifts." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 34, Number 425)

The Prophet knew that Jesus would return. That is what he was told and what we are taught. IF Jesus was to come as a NEW prophet, don't you think Allah would have informed the Prophet of such?

This topic should be about the RETURN of Prophet Jesus which would conclude that it has nothing to do with a new "prophet" coming but an old one fulfilling his original mission. Sure Jesus will come later. The Prophet and Muslims never deny this. But the way it was stated, makes one believe that a new prophet will be coming.

Again, Be care how you word info Akhi, it could be very misleading and damaging.

I never said that The Messiah would bring a new message. As we have already discussed, the final message was indeed the holy Qur’an!

The verse which you quoted from the Qur’an only confirms the fact that the final religion to be followed is Islam, which is what I have been saying all along. There is a difference between a final law and a final Messenger of a law!

In the very same post YOU said:
“sure Jesus will come back as a just ruler, but the same prophet sent earlier to finish his mission.” So let me ask you again, what mission are you referring to???

We agree on the fact that Jesus was a Jew (as he was a preacher of the Torah), so If Jesus was put to sleep and then raised to heaven (as you claim) when would he go from being a Jew to a Muslim? When will he go from knowing the Torah to the Qur’an? And when will he go from speaking Hebrew to Arabic?

The English translation of Khatam Al-Nabiyyin is The Seal of Prophets. It is not the Sealer, but the Seal, which is a noun. Many times a word can function as a noun as well as a verb, but the word will still have different meanings. This is the case of the word ‘seal’.

According to Oxford dictionary the word ‘seal’ as a noun is defined as “1 a device or substance used to join two things together or make something impervious. 2 a piece of wax or lead with an individual design stamped into it, attached to a document as a guarantee of authenticity. 3 a confirmation or guarantee: a seal of approval. 4 an engraved device used for stamping a seal.”

The word ‘seal’ as a verb is defined as: “1 fasten or close securely. 2 (seal off) isolate (an area) by preventing entrance to and exit from it. 3 apply a non-porous coating to (a surface) to make it impervious. 4 conclude, establish, or secure definitively. 5 authenticate (a document) with a seal.”

As you can see there is a big difference between the definitions of the noun and the verb. Our beloved Prophet did not seal prophethood, but he was The Seal of it! Confusing these two with each other means changing the meanings of them!

"The Israelis used to be ruled and guided by prophets: Whenever a prophet died, another would take over his place.”

Start by studying this sentence carefully before jumping to any conclusions because there is a reason why the Prophet said these words before the others! This sentence let us know that there would come one Prophet straight after another, without any break to the Jews.

The Prophet continued by saying:
“There will be no prophet after me, but there will be Caliphs who will increase in number." I.e. the Prophet was making a comparison that simply meant that there would not come a Prophet to the Muslims straight after his death, as it would have been in the case of the Jews.

The holy Prophet also said:
“I am the last of the prophets and my mosque is the last of the mosques.” (Sahih Muslim, Book 7, Chapter 90, Number 3211)

If this hadith was to be taken literally, then it means that no mosques were to be built after the Prophet’s mosque. Obviously, this is not the case which means that “I am the last of prophets” cannot be taken literally either. By saying ‘the mosque’ the Prophet meant the law. Muhammad was the last of the law-bearing prophets and his law (The Qur’an) is the last of all divine laws!

I’m still patiently waiting for an explanation for the verses of the Qur’an and hadiths that I posted regarding the death of Jesus…