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rizwan

NOSHADYLADY4
Mashallah!! Great post!!

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The Almighty Allah states in the Holy Qur'an: "And among His signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves." (30:21)


This is beautiful, Jazakallahu Khairan, Akhi!!
Nazia1987
just out of curiosity, if one of the big purposes of marriages is simply to procreate, what about infertile people? They have no reason to marry in Islam?? sad.gif I ask because I have actually heard somebody with an infertile relative say that girl should never marry because its meaningless and she will only make other miserable sad.gif I never felt so terrible than when I heard that statement!

Is marriage not valid if based on love even if two people don't create their own children? I Plan on adopting and having my own children is not as important to me. I would rather help suffering children all ready in the world. There are so many people in this world anyway!
rizwan
procreation isnt the only objective of marriage. it is only to be fulfilled through marriage if so desired.

marriage also offers avenues for the fulfilment of the desire to love and be loved, both emotionally and physically.

i think to consider someone who is infertile as unsuitable for marriage is quite preposterous and unislamic, as aside from children marriage does fulfil other objectives.

regarding adoption, im unfamiliar with the rules over how an adopted child can become 'mahram' to its parents, as upon adopting a boy the difficulty arises in his presence rendering the "mother" to have to observe hijab in the home as he grows up, or to adopt a girl, and the presence of the "father" to render her to have to observe hijab in the home.

and thanks for your comments noshadylady4
NOSHADYLADY4
Mashallah, You're welcome rizwan.

I think marriage and all it entails is also for those who wish it and are capable of adhering to its policies. Although there are some people who never marry, either by choice or some other reason. Imagine if no one married and procreated...no population!!! Women who are barren are still mothers, even if it is not their own child/children.

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Is marriage not valid if based on love even if two people don't create their own children?

Allah says in the Qur'an that He leaves some women barren, but that is not the reason for them to not marry. There are many women who cannot have children for one reason or another. There are women who are told that they will never have children and later on have a child.

Marriage is much more than procreation, acceptance of an infertile mate is for the two people to decide. There are many couples who have adopted and are happy about their decision. Remember that marrying a person(woman) is based on:

1. Beauty
2. Finances
3. Deen
4. Family status
But of these deen(religion) is the best choice. It does not say anything about the woman's fertility/barrenness, Mashallah. A women can have all these things and not be a good muslim and barren.


Adoption In Islam
Adopted children become mahram for their child by way of suckling(if the child is an infant). However here is a bit more info that may help in understanding adoption:

"The guardian/child relationship has specific rules under Islamic law, which render the relationship a bit different than what is common adoption practice today. The Islamic term for what is commonly called adoption is kafala, which comes from a word that means "to feed." In essence, it describes more of a foster-parent relationship. Some of the rules in Islam surrounding this relationship:

An adopted child retains his or her own biological family name (surname) and does not change his or her name to match that of the adoptive family.
An adopted child inherits from his or her biological parents, not automatically from the adoptive parents.
When the child is grown, members of the adoptive family are not considered blood relatives, and are therefore not muhrim to him or her. "Muhrim" refers to a specific legal relationship that regulates marriage and other aspects of life. Essentially, members of the adoptive family would be permissible as possible marriage partners, and rules of modesty exist between the grown child and adoptive family members of the opposite sex.
If the child is provided with property/wealth from the biological family, adoptive parents are commanded to take care and not intermingle that property/wealth with their own. They serve merely as trustees.
These Islamic rules emphasize to the adoptive family that they are not taking the place of the biological family -- they are trustees and caretakers of someone else's child. Their role is very clearly defined, but nevertheless very valued and important."[Taken from.Huda.com "Adopting a Child in Islam"]

There are a lot more point of understanding about adoption, just have to find it, Inshallah!!
Nazia1987
thanx for the responses to my question, Rizwan and NOSHADYLADY

I have one further question then about adopting. There is emphasis put on biological parents, but what in the case the child is an orphan? I plan on adopted a child, or perhaps brother/sister from an orphanage in a different country. My entire life I have felt drawn to do this. I also do not plan on adopting a baby but an older child, as babies are adopted often and once the children get a bit older, they have very less chance of being adopted.

so clearly in this case, they would have no inheritance from biological parents. I feel I wouldn't be able to separate that child in the sense that child would feel as though my own child. i grew up with plenty of adopted children and their parents never felt as though they were not their own children. i don't think i could ever feel this way!

ill be honest... if theres one place in life whre i might willingly break the rules of Islam it would be adopting, as I have always felt called in my heart to adopt older children (maybe 8 years old) and I think this is a good and true calling from Allah only. And I don't think I could ever live with myself if I made that child constantly be reminded of the fact that they were not biologically mine. sad.gif Where do these adoptino rules comes from? Is there any place in Quran where it is mentioned? because it seems as though the rules have to do with a bit different of a situation where the child has living biological parents. In that case its a wonderful rules because the adoptive parents are not trying to take the place of biological ones. but what about orphans? are there specific guidelines?
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