QUOTE(Iftikhar @ Apr 19 2010, 03:16 PM)
My daughter was married to her first cousin, has two grown up young children
without any defects. My eldest brother was married to his first cousin with
seven children. Four of them are medical doctors and not a single child has
any defects. Million of Muslims through out the world are married to their
first cousins. Some of them have defective children. I know a family with
three defective children. They have no relation with each other. My cousin
married a Hindu girl in canada and they have a girl with some sorts of
defects. Doctor has advised them not to have any more children. My nephew in
Pakistan was married to his first cousin. They have three highly educated children.
You can list off 100 children born to cousin marriages that don't have defects and 100 born to non-related parents that do, and it won't change the science of the statistics. Whether your kids or friends or any of these kids are doctors is not relevant. 100 people is not enough to to look at any genetic trends in populations. You need thousands, if not hundreds of thousands at the least to say anything conclusive. More than that, this is basic science. This is basic genetics. There are strong likelihoods we all have some sort of recessive genetic disorders. Thanks to genetic diversity in the world, chances are those diseases are never manifested. When marrying within a family, that safety is not there and the liklihood is that recessive genetic disorders can be expressed.
The ground reality is that British society does not want Muslim parents to
get marry their children back home so that their grand children could learn their mother tongues. Human being is a product of his culture,
language and faith. There is a positive co-relation between language and culture. If Muslims become notoriously monolingual Brits than there is a likely hood that they will adopt English culture. They will still be the underdogs of the British society. In the past they were victim of Paki-bashing in all walks of life by the British society becuae majority of them were not well versed in local accents. Now Muslim youths born and educated by British education system are being victim of terrorism by British establishment. Thousands of them are being searched by Police in streets and many of them are behind the bar without any trial. A lot of Muslim youths are imprisoned by British courts on the slightest excuses. The number of Muslim prisoners is on the increase in British jails. When they come out of jail they will become real criminals and terrorists while British foreign minister has said that Muslims are law abiding and committed citizens.
Look, it may very well be the case that British don't want Muslim culture to continue. In fact, i think it's quite obvious as British is very Islamophobic. I am happy I don't live in Britian for that reason! Even though I KNOW the risks of cousin marriage, I would not chose to ban it because this would infringe on peoples rights. If cousin marriages are banned, then smoking while pregnant or doing any rigorous activity while pregnant should also be banned. These are personal decisions the governemnt shoudl not chose
But why does all of this keep you from accepting the undisputable scientific evidence that show genetic diseases in cousin marriages? It is not that this is only being taught in Britian. Any basic research on genetics will lead you to the same conclusion, regardless of where you obtain that research from.
Majority of Muslims
are from Pakistan. Their culture and language is differnt from Bengali or
Gujrati or Turkish and Arabs. They have only faith in common. They only marry
among their own communities because
of culture and language. This is the ground reality.
So be it. Marry your cousins if you are Pakistani. I am not going to judge anyone who does that. I don't think the government should stop it. But you should not deny
scientific fact to justify such unions. There is no reason to live in denial of anything! If you know the risks and are knowing that, it is still important to marry within your family, that is by all means your right. But don't spread misinformation about the topic. This is not propaganda spread by the British government, this fact is taught all over the world because it is undisputed.
In the 70s, when I raised ithe issue of bilingualism and Muslim schools, I
was given the impression that British education system does not believe in
bilingualism. According to varities of studies, a child will suffer if
he/she finds himself cut off from his/her cultural and linguistic roots.
Arabic is our religious language and each and every Muslim must be well
versd in Quranic Arabic. Urdu is our social and emotional language and majority of Muslims from the sub-continet must learn and be well versed in Urdu to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. This the main reason why I believe that Pakistani
parents must find marriage partners from Pakistan for their children.
Pakistani children and youths suffer more than others because they find
themselves cut off from the literature and poetry. Majority of them are not
even well versed in Standard English. This is the main rason why majority of
Pakistani children leave schools without goood qualification. English is
their economic language while Urdu is their social and emotional and Arabic
is their religious language.
I am concerned with the education of bilingual Muslim children. I set up the
first Muslim school in London in 1981 and now there are round about 140
Muslim schools and only 11 are state funded. I would like to see each and
every Muslim child to be in a Muslim school.
A study by Bristol University reveals that a high level of racial
segregation in Oldham schools and tension between communities resulted in
recent riots in 2001. The solution is that those schools where Muslim
children are majority, may be designated as Muslim community schools. The
native parents do not want their children to be educated along with migrant
chiildren. As soon as they find that the number of other children are on the
increase, they move their children to those schools where native children
are in majority.
There are hundreds of state schools where Muslim children are in majority.
In my opinion, all such schools may be designated as Muslim community
schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models. There is no place for
a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.
Please visit www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk for more information on
this complicated and complicated issue.
This is irrelevant to the subject of whether or not cousin marriages cause genetic defects in children. I understand your problems with Muslim children recieving non-religious or British education. But that is a separate issue. Muslims should have the right to marry within their families. They should have the right in Britian to do everything that all non-Muslims do. But don't deny facts. What I'm saying is that, denying the scientific evidence doesen't do anything but hurt your case. If you admit the scientific evidence and say "ok we accept this and we still want to do this, give us the right to do this," people can not claim you are being ignorant to the issue.
Listen... I am not trying to cause you any offense. I am not trying to prove to you that cousin marriage is wrong. All of the things which you are fighting for (Islamic educaation for western raised Muslim children, etc), if you feel strongly about them you should keep fighting for it because its your right. All I'm saying is that, citing bad science or ignoring facts will only hurt your case. The phenomenon of inbreeding leading to genetic diseases is undisputed fact, it is not a theory which is being explored and there is nothing to disprove it. You will see if you learn genetics that it is very obvious and logical as well. Read for yourself the material and you will see. It doesn't mean you are going against islam or even cousin marriages, it simply means to accept all sides to the story. I can promise these are not "statistics" that the Britisih government has made up to make Muslims look bad. If you debate them by saying : "science is not credible" it only makes your side of the debate weak and it makes you lose credibilty! You might have the most convincing argument in the world for marrying kids back home or educating them in religious schools, but if you tell me that 2+2=5, I'll stop listening at that point and it will discredit everything else you've said. Do you see what I'm saying? And understand that you have to get your sources from legitimate places. Check out a text book, read scientific journal articles. You can not find somebodies home made website that claims that cousin marriages don't lead to more genetic diseases and just use that as evidence because its completely unreliable. The scores of research however, verifiable and reproduce able research, will tell a different and more legitimate story!